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<blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 3299259" data-attributes="member: 31734">I don't think I have a suitable response, quite honestly.&nbsp; Natural weapons use different rules than other attacks (the number of attacks is undefined, for example).&nbsp; However, you're right that nothing actually says that a natural weapon attack is not suitable for substitution on trips, grapples, or anything else.I posed myself this question: How many (natural weapon) attacks does a monster with (e.g.) three natural weapons get?&nbsp; To answer this, we need to look at a few rules (possibly quoted previously in the thread).&nbsp;Okay, from this quote the BAB is irrelevant and we have to look at the individual monster description. I looked and looked but found nothing that actually says something like &quot;a monster normally gets one attack per natural weapon.&quot;&nbsp; So, the number actually depends upon examples.&nbsp;Let's have our example monster possess 3 natural weapon attacks.&nbsp; This line in its stat block would therefore have to list all 3.&nbsp; But, does a monster (or even PC) with natural weapons use the same type of Full Attack Action as, say, a someone wielding a sword?&nbsp; I don't think so.&nbsp;Clearly, using natural weapons must be &quot;some special reason.&quot;&nbsp; The natural weapon full attack is not the same because it is governed under different rules (no iterative attacks, rules on combining weapons, primary/secondary vs. primary/off-hand, etc.).Is this qualification of &quot;not the same&quot; good enough to warrant not applying the footnote on grapple, trip, and disarm?&nbsp; I think so.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Infiniti2000, post: 3299259, member: 31734"] I don't think I have a suitable response, quite honestly. Natural weapons use different rules than other attacks (the number of attacks is undefined, for example). However, you're right that nothing actually says that a natural weapon attack is not suitable for substitution on trips, grapples, or anything else. I posed myself this question: How many (natural weapon) attacks does a monster with (e.g.) three natural weapons get? To answer this, we need to look at a few rules (possibly quoted previously in the thread). Okay, from this quote the BAB is irrelevant and we have to look at the individual monster description. I looked and looked but found nothing that actually says something like "a monster normally gets one attack per natural weapon." So, the number actually depends upon examples. Let's have our example monster possess 3 natural weapon attacks. This line in its stat block would therefore have to list all 3. But, does a monster (or even PC) with natural weapons use the same type of Full Attack Action as, say, a someone wielding a sword? I don't think so. Clearly, using natural weapons must be "some special reason." The natural weapon full attack is not the same because it is governed under different rules (no iterative attacks, rules on combining weapons, primary/secondary vs. primary/off-hand, etc.). Is this qualification of "not the same" good enough to warrant not applying the footnote on grapple, trip, and disarm? I think so. [/QUOTE]

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