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<blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 4035059" data-attributes="member: 23977"><p>See I think what's being missed here is the difference between 2e "pcs can't do it" and 4e "pcs can't do it."</p><p></p><p>In 2e (and sometimes even 3e) monsters sometimes had special attacks. Things like the ability to eat your brain or dominate you. It was just something they could do in their bag of tricks. PCs had other things they could do, but not necessarily the same things the monsters could do.</p><p></p><p>In 3e, monsters had special abilities. PCs had special abilities. Sometimes through feats or spells, PCs could emulate the things monsters did.</p><p></p><p>My guess (from how it sounds about the stuff in the DMs guide...) is that:</p><p></p><p>Any time a monster has a "special ability" it will be a maneuver. Just because it's not currently listed in the PHB doesn't mean a PC "can't" do it. It just means the DM will have to set the DCs and damage, and level and how the PC can gain access to it. (with guidelines for doing so in the DMG.)</p><p></p><p>it won't be as hard as converting a special ability to a spell or a feat, because the fundamentals will be exactly the same. All you'll hav to do really is "adjust for User..."</p><p></p><p>(also this is why I can believe it when they say that the game is very open to expansion. They won't have to decide say whether something should be a feat, a special ability, or an attack option. things that are maneuver like will be maneuvers.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scribble, post: 4035059, member: 23977"] See I think what's being missed here is the difference between 2e "pcs can't do it" and 4e "pcs can't do it." In 2e (and sometimes even 3e) monsters sometimes had special attacks. Things like the ability to eat your brain or dominate you. It was just something they could do in their bag of tricks. PCs had other things they could do, but not necessarily the same things the monsters could do. In 3e, monsters had special abilities. PCs had special abilities. Sometimes through feats or spells, PCs could emulate the things monsters did. My guess (from how it sounds about the stuff in the DMs guide...) is that: Any time a monster has a "special ability" it will be a maneuver. Just because it's not currently listed in the PHB doesn't mean a PC "can't" do it. It just means the DM will have to set the DCs and damage, and level and how the PC can gain access to it. (with guidelines for doing so in the DMG.) it won't be as hard as converting a special ability to a spell or a feat, because the fundamentals will be exactly the same. All you'll hav to do really is "adjust for User..." (also this is why I can believe it when they say that the game is very open to expansion. They won't have to decide say whether something should be a feat, a special ability, or an attack option. things that are maneuver like will be maneuvers.) [/QUOTE]
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