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<blockquote data-quote="Pergentile" data-source="post: 5574970" data-attributes="member: 6671368"><p>It is a debatable subject. It really depends how the DM runs grappling.</p><p></p><p>Normally:</p><p>Once you are grappling, you are considered grappled, and no longer threaten space around you, take full round actions, etc. and your options for actions are fairly limited. You can try to escape the grapple, pin, deal damage etc. but normally you are restricted to actions revolving around grappling. You can only grapple one enemy at a time. Once you are grappled, you cannot attempt to grapple someone other than the people who are grappling you.</p><p></p><p>Advanced Grappling:</p><p>One can choose to take a -20 penalty to ones opposed grapple checks against the person one is grappling, which allows one to Grapple an enemy, without being considered "grappled", while your enemy is. This means you threaten space around you as normal, make AoO's, get to keep your Dex modifier for your AC, etc.</p><p>For example, a Marilith can hit with its tail attack, choose to take -20 on the free grapple attempt, then, if it wins, proceed to hit someone else with a tail attack, etc.</p><p></p><p>The Debatable Bits:</p><p>Normally, to grapple an enemy, even when not grappled yourself (by taking a -20 penalty), one must use an Iterative attack. This goes off of your Base Attack Bonus. For example, a person with a BAB of +11, has three attacks; one at +11, one at +6 and one at +1. This means that same person with a BAB of +11 could grapple three opponents if taking the -20 penalty for all of them. In ones turn, to maintain the grapple, one must use at least one attack action to maintain the grapple. Many DM's, when using a Giant Octopus against the party, tend to overlook this restriction though, to make things more interesting. DM's tend to allow an eight legged Giant Octopus to grapple eight opponents (one for each limb), even though the Octopus' BAB is only high enough to grapple three opponents iirc. In the end, it is up to the DM how he wants to restrict grappling, as it is primarily a Monster-used combat maneuver, since it is affected greatly by size.</p><p></p><p>For your specific monster, it would be able to grapple three opponents at -20, since it has a BAB of +15, meaning three attacks. The elder Odopi would be able to grapple five, since its BAB is +22 (+22/+17/+12/+7/+2). If you are the DM however, you can allow these monsters to grapple as many opponents as it can reach, since it is logical, and there is precedence for it to be able to do so. I personally would make a cap for grappling based on size. Something Gargantuan would be able to grapple 16 medium sized enemies, since it's space is 4x4 (16 squares) logically. Remember that anything with the Grab (Ex) ability pulls an enemy into its space when it grapples, it does not move into the enemies space as normal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pergentile, post: 5574970, member: 6671368"] It is a debatable subject. It really depends how the DM runs grappling. Normally: Once you are grappling, you are considered grappled, and no longer threaten space around you, take full round actions, etc. and your options for actions are fairly limited. You can try to escape the grapple, pin, deal damage etc. but normally you are restricted to actions revolving around grappling. You can only grapple one enemy at a time. Once you are grappled, you cannot attempt to grapple someone other than the people who are grappling you. Advanced Grappling: One can choose to take a -20 penalty to ones opposed grapple checks against the person one is grappling, which allows one to Grapple an enemy, without being considered "grappled", while your enemy is. This means you threaten space around you as normal, make AoO's, get to keep your Dex modifier for your AC, etc. For example, a Marilith can hit with its tail attack, choose to take -20 on the free grapple attempt, then, if it wins, proceed to hit someone else with a tail attack, etc. The Debatable Bits: Normally, to grapple an enemy, even when not grappled yourself (by taking a -20 penalty), one must use an Iterative attack. This goes off of your Base Attack Bonus. For example, a person with a BAB of +11, has three attacks; one at +11, one at +6 and one at +1. This means that same person with a BAB of +11 could grapple three opponents if taking the -20 penalty for all of them. In ones turn, to maintain the grapple, one must use at least one attack action to maintain the grapple. Many DM's, when using a Giant Octopus against the party, tend to overlook this restriction though, to make things more interesting. DM's tend to allow an eight legged Giant Octopus to grapple eight opponents (one for each limb), even though the Octopus' BAB is only high enough to grapple three opponents iirc. In the end, it is up to the DM how he wants to restrict grappling, as it is primarily a Monster-used combat maneuver, since it is affected greatly by size. For your specific monster, it would be able to grapple three opponents at -20, since it has a BAB of +15, meaning three attacks. The elder Odopi would be able to grapple five, since its BAB is +22 (+22/+17/+12/+7/+2). If you are the DM however, you can allow these monsters to grapple as many opponents as it can reach, since it is logical, and there is precedence for it to be able to do so. I personally would make a cap for grappling based on size. Something Gargantuan would be able to grapple 16 medium sized enemies, since it's space is 4x4 (16 squares) logically. Remember that anything with the Grab (Ex) ability pulls an enemy into its space when it grapples, it does not move into the enemies space as normal. [/QUOTE]
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