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<blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus2" data-source="post: 1825789" data-attributes="member: 11586"><p>I had a similiar question regarding what attacks a Dolgaunt (monster from the Eberron CS) can do after they grapple.</p><p></p><p>Here is the vital info on the Dolgaunt:</p><p></p><p>Base Attack Bonus: +1/+3</p><p>Attack: Tentacle +3 melee (1d3+2)</p><p>Full Attack: 2 tentacles +3 melee (1d3+2)</p><p>Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft. (10 ft. with tentacles)</p><p></p><p>They do not have any special grapple abilities (such as Improved Grab or Improved Grapple). They do however do "automatic" Con damage if they are grappling an opponent.</p><p></p><p>The picture of this creature resembles a zombie with two fleshy tentacles prodturding from it's shoulders. So it has arms, hands and even claws (according to the picture) even though those attacks are not represented in the Attack progression listed above.</p><p></p><p>The Dolgaunt uses it's tentacle to grapple a PC that is 10 feet away. Since there is no Improved Grab or Grapple, the PC would normally be allowed an AoO. However, since the Dolgaunt is 10 feet away and not in the PCs threat range, they do not get the AoO (this was my ruling). Also, normally when you grapple you move into the opponents square. Given the situation, I ruled that the DolGaunt used it's tentacle to instead pull the PC into it's square. So now we have a PC in a grapple with a Dolgaunt.</p><p></p><p>1) How is the opponent grappled? Does the Dolgaunt use both tentacles or just one tentacle to maintain the grapple?</p><p></p><p>2) Can the Dolgaunt then use it's regular arms to maintain the grapple (even though it's not represented as having any other attacks besides tentacles in the stat block)? Can it use it's regular arms deal damage while the tentacle(s) continue to grapple.</p><p></p><p>3) If another PC approaches the Dolgaunt, and thus would move through it's 10 ft. of reach, would the Dolgaunt get to make an AoO on the PC, or would both it's tentacles be busy in the grapple? This goes back to question # 1.</p><p></p><p>4) What if this was a Giant or a Collosal humanoid like a Titan. If a creature is so big that it could pick you up in one hand, when it grapples you, can it grapple you using just one hand (leaving the other hand free to attack others) or does it still require you to grapple with both?</p><p></p><p>5) Are there any rules anywhere which states how many arms (or other limbs) you need to use to maintain a grapple? How would a Thri-kreen grapple? Would it have to use all 4 arms? How about a Giant Octopus?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RigaMortus2, post: 1825789, member: 11586"] I had a similiar question regarding what attacks a Dolgaunt (monster from the Eberron CS) can do after they grapple. Here is the vital info on the Dolgaunt: Base Attack Bonus: +1/+3 Attack: Tentacle +3 melee (1d3+2) Full Attack: 2 tentacles +3 melee (1d3+2) Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft. (10 ft. with tentacles) They do not have any special grapple abilities (such as Improved Grab or Improved Grapple). They do however do "automatic" Con damage if they are grappling an opponent. The picture of this creature resembles a zombie with two fleshy tentacles prodturding from it's shoulders. So it has arms, hands and even claws (according to the picture) even though those attacks are not represented in the Attack progression listed above. The Dolgaunt uses it's tentacle to grapple a PC that is 10 feet away. Since there is no Improved Grab or Grapple, the PC would normally be allowed an AoO. However, since the Dolgaunt is 10 feet away and not in the PCs threat range, they do not get the AoO (this was my ruling). Also, normally when you grapple you move into the opponents square. Given the situation, I ruled that the DolGaunt used it's tentacle to instead pull the PC into it's square. So now we have a PC in a grapple with a Dolgaunt. 1) How is the opponent grappled? Does the Dolgaunt use both tentacles or just one tentacle to maintain the grapple? 2) Can the Dolgaunt then use it's regular arms to maintain the grapple (even though it's not represented as having any other attacks besides tentacles in the stat block)? Can it use it's regular arms deal damage while the tentacle(s) continue to grapple. 3) If another PC approaches the Dolgaunt, and thus would move through it's 10 ft. of reach, would the Dolgaunt get to make an AoO on the PC, or would both it's tentacles be busy in the grapple? This goes back to question # 1. 4) What if this was a Giant or a Collosal humanoid like a Titan. If a creature is so big that it could pick you up in one hand, when it grapples you, can it grapple you using just one hand (leaving the other hand free to attack others) or does it still require you to grapple with both? 5) Are there any rules anywhere which states how many arms (or other limbs) you need to use to maintain a grapple? How would a Thri-kreen grapple? Would it have to use all 4 arms? How about a Giant Octopus? [/QUOTE]
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