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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1825999" data-attributes="member: 23094"><p>Here's how I would have done it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The dolgaunt cannot use its tentacles to grapple, because it lacks the appropriate special ability (Improved Grab (Ex): On an successful attack with a tentacle, etc...).</p><p></p><p>Similarly, a PC wielding a longspear cannot grapple at 10' range.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd've had them meet halfway, if I didnt have the dolgaunt move into the PC's square. The problem you encounter, by ruling as you did, is that anyone threatening someone who is grappling gains an AoO for that creature's movement.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Note that the ability to pull an opponent into your own square, rather than moving into his, is a benefit of the improved grab special ability:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, so the PC is in a grapple with the Dolgaunt, however erroneously he got there... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The dolgaunt uses its entire body - tentacles, hands, feet, legs, etc. - to maintain the grapple.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is using it's regular arms to maintain the grapple. It's regular arms can deal damage the same way any other grappled creature can use its arms while grappled: to make an opposed grapple check, to attack with a natural or light weapon (at a -4 penalty), or to draw a magic item.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Tentacles are busy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The rule is that creatures with Improved Grab may voluntarily take a -20 penalty to their grapple checks for a round and consider themselves ungrappled - thus, they'd threaten an area, could full-attack normally, etc.</p><p></p><p>Some people house rule this to state that any creature who is grappling may take the penalty and remain ungrappled.</p><p></p><p>Otherwise, you use all of your available bulk, limbs, etc., to grapple a single opponent.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All of them. Unless you take the -20 penalty, in which case you only use the limb which started the grapple to begin with.</p><p></p><p>Thus, a giant octopus which does not take the -20 penalty is assumed to be wrapping all of its arms around its victim. Should it wish to wrap a single arm around a creature, and use its remaining 7 against other threats, it would be at a -20 penalty on the grapple check with its single arm to constrict.</p><p></p><p>Should it then decide to try an improved grab with any of those attacks, it will still be at a -20 penalty.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 1825999, member: 23094"] Here's how I would have done it. The dolgaunt cannot use its tentacles to grapple, because it lacks the appropriate special ability (Improved Grab (Ex): On an successful attack with a tentacle, etc...). Similarly, a PC wielding a longspear cannot grapple at 10' range. I'd've had them meet halfway, if I didnt have the dolgaunt move into the PC's square. The problem you encounter, by ruling as you did, is that anyone threatening someone who is grappling gains an AoO for that creature's movement. Note that the ability to pull an opponent into your own square, rather than moving into his, is a benefit of the improved grab special ability: Okay, so the PC is in a grapple with the Dolgaunt, however erroneously he got there... ;) The dolgaunt uses its entire body - tentacles, hands, feet, legs, etc. - to maintain the grapple. It is using it's regular arms to maintain the grapple. It's regular arms can deal damage the same way any other grappled creature can use its arms while grappled: to make an opposed grapple check, to attack with a natural or light weapon (at a -4 penalty), or to draw a magic item. Tentacles are busy. The rule is that creatures with Improved Grab may voluntarily take a -20 penalty to their grapple checks for a round and consider themselves ungrappled - thus, they'd threaten an area, could full-attack normally, etc. Some people house rule this to state that any creature who is grappling may take the penalty and remain ungrappled. Otherwise, you use all of your available bulk, limbs, etc., to grapple a single opponent. All of them. Unless you take the -20 penalty, in which case you only use the limb which started the grapple to begin with. Thus, a giant octopus which does not take the -20 penalty is assumed to be wrapping all of its arms around its victim. Should it wish to wrap a single arm around a creature, and use its remaining 7 against other threats, it would be at a -20 penalty on the grapple check with its single arm to constrict. Should it then decide to try an improved grab with any of those attacks, it will still be at a -20 penalty. [/QUOTE]
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