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<blockquote data-quote="tomBitonti" data-source="post: 3410641" data-attributes="member: 13107"><p>Hi,</p><p></p><p>There are a number of changes made in the "Rules of the Game" column at WOTC:</p><p><a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20050322a" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20050322a</a></p><p></p><p>Are these actual changes, or a clarification, and, if they are changes, can they be considered official errata?</p><p></p><p>As may be no great surprise, these rules clarifications are still confusing. Amoung several, here are two difficulties that I am having:</p><p></p><p>The text stating that "every successful grapple check the attacker makes in successive rounds automatically deals the damage indicated for the attack that established the hold." Is that <em>every</em> grapple check, those made to "Attack Your Opponent", those made to "Damage your opponent", or both? The parenthetical "(This works just like making a grapple check to deal damage.)" is not helpful, as is matches neither title. If a Cave Troll, with a bite and two claw attacks, establishes a hold (via improved grab) from its bite attack, attacks with natural weapons, do these all do bite damage? Only, the Cave Troll has a BAB that allows two attacks. Does the Cave Troll get two attacks, with its choice of natural attacks, but each dealing bite damage? Or is this simple that the Cave troll gets two bite attacks?</p><p></p><p>(As well, once in a grapple, the Cave Troll should get two extra rake attacks. How does the Cave Troll every get to use these?)</p><p></p><p>The text from part two that states "you can attempt one of these maneuvers in place of each of your attacks". So, if you have a BAB of +3 and are hasted, do you get a single grapple attack, made with an attack bonus of +0 (+3 +1 -4), but if you have a BAB of +6 and are hasted, you would get <em>three???</em>, and at +3 (+6 + 1 -4), -2 (+6 +1 -4 -5), and -7 (+6 +1 -4 -10). I don't think that is what the writer meant, but that is how the text reads.</p><p></p><p>(A similar example can be made working off of the monk's <em>flurry-of-blows</em> ability.)</p><p></p><p>From Part 2:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>From Part 4:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thx,</p><p></p><p>Tom Bitonti</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tomBitonti, post: 3410641, member: 13107"] Hi, There are a number of changes made in the "Rules of the Game" column at WOTC: [url]http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20050322a[/url] Are these actual changes, or a clarification, and, if they are changes, can they be considered official errata? As may be no great surprise, these rules clarifications are still confusing. Amoung several, here are two difficulties that I am having: The text stating that "every successful grapple check the attacker makes in successive rounds automatically deals the damage indicated for the attack that established the hold." Is that [I]every[/I] grapple check, those made to "Attack Your Opponent", those made to "Damage your opponent", or both? The parenthetical "(This works just like making a grapple check to deal damage.)" is not helpful, as is matches neither title. If a Cave Troll, with a bite and two claw attacks, establishes a hold (via improved grab) from its bite attack, attacks with natural weapons, do these all do bite damage? Only, the Cave Troll has a BAB that allows two attacks. Does the Cave Troll get two attacks, with its choice of natural attacks, but each dealing bite damage? Or is this simple that the Cave troll gets two bite attacks? (As well, once in a grapple, the Cave Troll should get two extra rake attacks. How does the Cave Troll every get to use these?) The text from part two that states "you can attempt one of these maneuvers in place of each of your attacks". So, if you have a BAB of +3 and are hasted, do you get a single grapple attack, made with an attack bonus of +0 (+3 +1 -4), but if you have a BAB of +6 and are hasted, you would get [I]three???[/I], and at +3 (+6 + 1 -4), -2 (+6 +1 -4 -5), and -7 (+6 +1 -4 -10). I don't think that is what the writer meant, but that is how the text reads. (A similar example can be made working off of the monk's [I]flurry-of-blows[/I] ability.) From Part 2: And: From Part 4: And: Thx, Tom Bitonti [/QUOTE]
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