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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8041997" data-attributes="member: 6987520">So, I think most people agree the Grappler Feat is sort of meh. I was looking at it again, and here it is for reference along with grappled and restrained conditions:[ATTACH=full]123974[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]123975[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]123976[/ATTACH]Now, first, you gain advantage on attack rolls against creatures you're grappling. Ok, that is pretty good really.The second part about restraining a creature is also nice in theory, but fairly pointless unless your goal is to keep in captive or you have allies to beat it up.Think of this:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">X has grappler feat and grapples Y.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">X then manages to "pin" Y using its entire action (not just an attack...).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Now, both are restrained.</li> </ol>The result:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Both have speed 0.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Attacks against both have advantage.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Both attack with disadvantage.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Both have disadvantage on DEX saves.</li> </ul>The advantage granted by the Grappler feat is lost, and the net benefit is the grappler makes attacks normally. Not bad I guess, but it costs you a feat and TWO actions to get there. If the restraining action was an attack and not the entire action, I think it would be more useful at higher levels.So, here's my thinking. Is the advantage granted by the Grappler feat specific enough to override the disadvantage imposed by being Restrained. Could you argue this is a case of specific beating out general?General: you have disadvantage on attack rolls when restrained.Specific: when you pin an opponent and are also restrained, the Grappler feat grants advantage because you are (in fact) still grappling your target.If you allow specific (in a sense) to override the general rule, it makes Grappler actually really useful. I am not for or against this for the most part, and I am curious on other people's points of view. Thoughts?</blockquote>

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