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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 2139057" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>Personally, I think the best way to rule is that attack roll modifiers affect grapple checks full--so prayer and bless would both add to a grapple check. (This contradicts the FAQ, but the FAQ has been rather dramatically and obviously wrong on other issues such as Alter Self/Polymorph affects modifying effective HD for spell effects).</p><p></p><p>Other possible rulings:</p><p>Effects that affect ability checks modify grapple checks. (This also contradicts the FAQ, but avoids the "I've five negative levels so I can't hit anything; I know, I'll grapple so I have no penalties" situation).</p><p></p><p>Effects that affect both ability checks and attack rolls modify grapple checks. (Thus negative levels and prayeer would both modify grapple checks, but not too much else).</p><p></p><p>Nothing that doesn't change strength, size, base attack, or (explicitly) grapple checks (such as the psionic power Grip of Iron) affect grapple checks. This is where you get the "I've got five negative levels and six quills from a howler, giving me -11 to everything else, but I'm just as good at grappling as I ever was" situation.</p><p></p><p>Nothing that doesn't change strength, size, base attack, or (explicitly) grapple checks (such as the psionic power Grip of Iron) affect grapple checks.... Except being prone. That gives you a -4 because the FAQ says so. This is what you get if you take the FAQ absolutely literally and it's the most ludicrous interpretation of all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 2139057, member: 3146"] Personally, I think the best way to rule is that attack roll modifiers affect grapple checks full--so prayer and bless would both add to a grapple check. (This contradicts the FAQ, but the FAQ has been rather dramatically and obviously wrong on other issues such as Alter Self/Polymorph affects modifying effective HD for spell effects). Other possible rulings: Effects that affect ability checks modify grapple checks. (This also contradicts the FAQ, but avoids the "I've five negative levels so I can't hit anything; I know, I'll grapple so I have no penalties" situation). Effects that affect both ability checks and attack rolls modify grapple checks. (Thus negative levels and prayeer would both modify grapple checks, but not too much else). Nothing that doesn't change strength, size, base attack, or (explicitly) grapple checks (such as the psionic power Grip of Iron) affect grapple checks. This is where you get the "I've got five negative levels and six quills from a howler, giving me -11 to everything else, but I'm just as good at grappling as I ever was" situation. Nothing that doesn't change strength, size, base attack, or (explicitly) grapple checks (such as the psionic power Grip of Iron) affect grapple checks.... Except being prone. That gives you a -4 because the FAQ says so. This is what you get if you take the FAQ absolutely literally and it's the most ludicrous interpretation of all. [/QUOTE]
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