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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1974986" data-attributes="member: 23094">Is that such a bad thing?&nbsp; I mean, there are generally two ways I've seen birds of prey hunt fish.&nbsp; One of them is an actual dive into the water, followed by a &quot;wet&quot; take-off, and the other is a swoop along the surface, a grab, and a fly away.Either of these can be simulated in the rules, currently.&nbsp; Since I believe you want the second one, I'll explain that.Eagle's turn: Fly down to water's surface as a move action.&nbsp; Attack fish.Normal fish have, like, 1 hit point.Eagles do 1d4 damage on a normal attack.&nbsp; Generally, that means a disabled and dying fish after an eagle strike.&nbsp; It isn't dead, but it's not struggling any more, either.Fish's turn: Unconscious.&nbsp; No action.Eagle's turn: Pick up fish as move action.&nbsp; Fly away - climbing at 1/2 speed.Now, if you want to use my house rule, anyone can take advantage of the -20 on grapple checks rule.Fish have a Stregth score, of, what, 1? 2? And a BAB of 0? So they're at -4 + 0 -12 (size Diminutive) = -16 on grapple checks.Eagles, on the other hand, are at +0 +0 -4 (Size) = -4 on grapple checks.&nbsp; Taking the -20 penalty, they're at -24.&nbsp; This results in a win percantage of just under 20% for the eagle.&nbsp; Is that realistic?&nbsp; Seems pretty reasonable.To what?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 1974986, member: 23094"] Is that such a bad thing? I mean, there are generally two ways I've seen birds of prey hunt fish. One of them is an actual dive into the water, followed by a "wet" take-off, and the other is a swoop along the surface, a grab, and a fly away. Either of these can be simulated in the rules, currently. Since I believe you want the second one, I'll explain that. Eagle's turn: Fly down to water's surface as a move action. Attack fish. Normal fish have, like, 1 hit point. Eagles do 1d4 damage on a normal attack. Generally, that means a disabled and dying fish after an eagle strike. It isn't dead, but it's not struggling any more, either. Fish's turn: Unconscious. No action. Eagle's turn: Pick up fish as move action. Fly away - climbing at 1/2 speed. Now, if you want to use my house rule, anyone can take advantage of the -20 on grapple checks rule. Fish have a Stregth score, of, what, 1? 2? And a BAB of 0? So they're at -4 + 0 -12 (size Diminutive) = -16 on grapple checks. Eagles, on the other hand, are at +0 +0 -4 (Size) = -4 on grapple checks. Taking the -20 penalty, they're at -24. This results in a win percantage of just under 20% for the eagle. Is that realistic? Seems pretty reasonable. To what? [/QUOTE]

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