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<blockquote data-quote="Prism" data-source="post: 1760179" data-attributes="member: 9501">With their normal natural attacks I agree that you never use iterative attacks but with the grapple rules I don't think it is that clear cut. The PHB grapples state that you get multiple grapples in a round for having a high BAB. Now it doesn't say that this is only for characters rather than monsters. The thing is that grapples aren't natural attacks and they are manufactored weapon attacks - they are something different but its not clear whatSo as an example lets say that the giant octopus starts its round grappling. Lets assume it doesn't use the -20 to grapple with 1 limbDoes it get1) a single grapple attempt because creatures never get iterative attacks and you can't use multiple weapons in a grapple2) 2 grapple attacks due to its +6/+1 BAB is this is how the PHB grapple rules state a grapple runs in the basic info they give3) its normal 9 attacks which happen to be 9 grapples. 1 for each attack it normally getsNow by the RAW I think its 2) because the RAW does not cover monsters. But the way I think it should be played is 3). Otherwise, even with constrict, an giant octopus is always better at making its normal attack routine than grappling</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Prism, post: 1760179, member: 9501"] With their normal natural attacks I agree that you never use iterative attacks but with the grapple rules I don't think it is that clear cut. The PHB grapples state that you get multiple grapples in a round for having a high BAB. Now it doesn't say that this is only for characters rather than monsters. The thing is that grapples aren't natural attacks and they are manufactored weapon attacks - they are something different but its not clear what So as an example lets say that the giant octopus starts its round grappling. Lets assume it doesn't use the -20 to grapple with 1 limb Does it get 1) a single grapple attempt because creatures never get iterative attacks and you can't use multiple weapons in a grapple 2) 2 grapple attacks due to its +6/+1 BAB is this is how the PHB grapple rules state a grapple runs in the basic info they give 3) its normal 9 attacks which happen to be 9 grapples. 1 for each attack it normally gets Now by the RAW I think its 2) because the RAW does not cover monsters. But the way I think it should be played is 3). Otherwise, even with constrict, an giant octopus is always better at making its normal attack routine than grappling [/QUOTE]

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