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<blockquote data-quote="Prism" data-source="post: 1771492" data-attributes="member: 9501">Simply increases your attack bonus with secondary weapons. Not sure the relevance to grappling particularilyI'm cool with everything you said up to here, both on the example of the monk grappling and the standard number of attacks for a monsterNext bit gets a bit more complicated. I have to say now that how you describe it is how I thought it worked until I joined into this thread. I the reason I did that is because I had some doubt that simply having multiple attacks made you a better grappler. If it was that simple a carrion crawler would be a better grappler than a constrictor snake which didn't seem right.I agree so far although&nbsp; this thread so far has mainly been focused on the Improved Grab special attack rather than the grapple attack option but so far things are pretty similiarThis bit goes directly against the rules for grappling that I and some others quoted in an earlier post which specifically states you get no offhand attacks while grappling and that a creature can only attack with 1 natural attack when grappling. The improved grab ability also states that you lose all your remaining attacks if you grab without taking a -20 penalty. Check the quotes from the rake special attack, improved grab and the PHB quoteMonsters should be no better/no worse at grappling than humanoids just because they are considered monsters and just because some of them have more attacks than others.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Prism, post: 1771492, member: 9501"] Simply increases your attack bonus with secondary weapons. Not sure the relevance to grappling particularily I'm cool with everything you said up to here, both on the example of the monk grappling and the standard number of attacks for a monster Next bit gets a bit more complicated. I have to say now that how you describe it is how I thought it worked until I joined into this thread. I the reason I did that is because I had some doubt that simply having multiple attacks made you a better grappler. If it was that simple a carrion crawler would be a better grappler than a constrictor snake which didn't seem right. I agree so far although this thread so far has mainly been focused on the Improved Grab special attack rather than the grapple attack option but so far things are pretty similiar This bit goes directly against the rules for grappling that I and some others quoted in an earlier post which specifically states you get no offhand attacks while grappling and that a creature can only attack with 1 natural attack when grappling. The improved grab ability also states that you lose all your remaining attacks if you grab without taking a -20 penalty. Check the quotes from the rake special attack, improved grab and the PHB quote Monsters should be no better/no worse at grappling than humanoids just because they are considered monsters and just because some of them have more attacks than others. [/QUOTE]

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