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<blockquote data-quote="Prism" data-source="post: 1776311" data-attributes="member: 9501">I'd love to hear how the Sage inteprets this confusion. Although by the letter of the law I think I can see how this works out but it just doesn't seem quite right to me and has always been a bit patched together with no good examples.In response to your points, I think it comes down to whether a monster can or cannot use BAB to gain iterative attacks. You said that monsters never use BAB to gain multiple attacks but this is only the case when they are using natural weapons. Many monster use manufactored weapons to get iterative attacks and a good few use both at the same time. In fact all the standard humaniod races are technically monsters as they appear in MM (human excluded for some reason)I am suggesting that a grapple attempt is not a natural weapon attack and therefore can use BAB to determine number of attacks. You use your whole body in a grapple and not just 1 particular limb and can do a number of things that don't count as an attack with a natural weapon. For example, I don't see why a carrion crawler should get 8 attempts to escape from a grapple just because it has 8 tenticles. Equally I don't think it should get 8 chances to pin either. I'm obviously using a carrion crawler with its multiple tenticles to prove a point but I figure this is equally valid for other monsters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Prism, post: 1776311, member: 9501"] I'd love to hear how the Sage inteprets this confusion. Although by the letter of the law I think I can see how this works out but it just doesn't seem quite right to me and has always been a bit patched together with no good examples. In response to your points, I think it comes down to whether a monster can or cannot use BAB to gain iterative attacks. You said that monsters never use BAB to gain multiple attacks but this is only the case when they are using natural weapons. Many monster use manufactored weapons to get iterative attacks and a good few use both at the same time. In fact all the standard humaniod races are technically monsters as they appear in MM (human excluded for some reason) I am suggesting that a grapple attempt is not a natural weapon attack and therefore can use BAB to determine number of attacks. You use your whole body in a grapple and not just 1 particular limb and can do a number of things that don't count as an attack with a natural weapon. For example, I don't see why a carrion crawler should get 8 attempts to escape from a grapple just because it has 8 tenticles. Equally I don't think it should get 8 chances to pin either. I'm obviously using a carrion crawler with its multiple tenticles to prove a point but I figure this is equally valid for other monsters. [/QUOTE]

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