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<blockquote data-quote="Izerath" data-source="post: 1776511" data-attributes="member: 6743">here again I think you missed my pointThis is where I disagree. Grappling deals with PRIMARY and SECONDARY weapons. How you determine the number of attacks is DIFFERENT for monsters than it is for PCs. The quoted statement even supports my point.&quot;When a creature has more than one natural weapon, one of them (or sometimes a pair or set of them) is the primary weapon...&quot;A PC uses one primary weapon in his dominant hand. His BAB says he can get X number of attacks, even when grappling. If he has a dagger in his other hand as a secondary weapon, he cannot use it even though it is a light wepon.A carrion crawler's tentacles are listed ONCE as the PRIMARY weapon. It gets 8 attacks with this primary weapon. Its secondary weapon, a bite, is not allowed during a grapple. Therefore, it gets 8 attempts to grapple and cannot bite. As far as magic fang, it is specific to ONE natural weapon. I don't think I disagree with your statement on that aspect. I specifically differentiate between a natural weapon and a PRIMARY weapon when interpreting grapple. People get confused when dealing with monsters with multiple primary attacks that are natural weapons. The grappling rules on this are unclear in their intent because they focus on a PC view, which just confuses people even more. We'll just have to see what the sage says on this I guess. In the mean time we agree to disagree. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Izerath, post: 1776511, member: 6743"] [b]here again I think you missed my point[/b] This is where I disagree. Grappling deals with PRIMARY and SECONDARY weapons. How you determine the number of attacks is DIFFERENT for monsters than it is for PCs. The quoted statement even supports my point. "When a creature has more than one natural weapon, one of them [U][B](or sometimes a pair or set of them)[/B][/U] is the primary weapon..." A PC uses one primary weapon in his dominant hand. His BAB says he can get X number of attacks, even when grappling. If he has a dagger in his other hand as a secondary weapon, he cannot use it even though it is a light wepon. A carrion crawler's tentacles are listed ONCE as the PRIMARY weapon. It gets 8 attacks with this primary weapon. Its secondary weapon, a bite, is not allowed during a grapple. Therefore, it gets 8 attempts to grapple and cannot bite. As far as magic fang, it is specific to ONE natural weapon. I don't think I disagree with your statement on that aspect. I specifically differentiate between a natural weapon and a PRIMARY weapon when interpreting grapple. People get confused when dealing with monsters with multiple primary attacks that are natural weapons. The grappling rules on this are unclear in their intent because they focus on a PC view, which just confuses people even more. We'll just have to see what the sage says on this I guess. In the mean time we agree to disagree. :) [/QUOTE]

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