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<blockquote data-quote="Izerath" data-source="post: 1776933" data-attributes="member: 6743">I give upNow even I am tangled up in the grammar. What a pain in the butt. Think of it this way. If you had 4 arms and were wrestling someone with only two, don't you think you'd have the advantage and could hold them down with 1 or even two arms and them beat on them with the others? Something is broken here, and I am just trying to figure it out.My point is that there is a difference between a natural weapon (which is a single, pair or set classified as primary or secondary weapon) and a SINGLE ATTACK with a natural weapon. If it's a pair or set, then it is X attacks, and all X attacks are available in the full attack grapple, not just one. To me a natural weapon is a single, pair or set of attacks of the same type. 8 tentacles, 4 arms, 2 claws. That's how I read this sentence. The way you interpret this sentence, it certainly seems to me like the carrion crawler gets the shaft when grappling with full attack, even if it has more natural weapon attacks at his disposal.&nbsp; Per your interpretation, a fighter w/BAB+20 holding one dagger gets 4 attacks while full attack grappling, but a carrion crawler with 8 tentacles can only use one of them to attack while in a full attack grapple with the same fighter, because the rules don't allow the carrion crawler to use BAB for multiple attacks and you read the previous sentence as &quot;it only gets one?&quot; I don't agree with that. The rule should not level the playing field unfairly just because PC's can use BAB for multiple attacks and the monster can't.Anyway I'm done with this one until I get some clear answers from WotC. I pray I am not waiting forever.Peace.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Izerath, post: 1776933, member: 6743"] [b]I give up[/b] Now even I am tangled up in the grammar. What a pain in the butt. Think of it this way. If you had 4 arms and were wrestling someone with only two, don't you think you'd have the advantage and could hold them down with 1 or even two arms and them beat on them with the others? Something is broken here, and I am just trying to figure it out. My point is that there is a difference between a natural weapon (which is a single, pair or set classified as primary or secondary weapon) and a SINGLE ATTACK with a natural weapon. If it's a pair or set, then it is X attacks, and all X attacks are available in the full attack grapple, not just one. To me a natural weapon is a single, pair or set of attacks of the same type. 8 tentacles, 4 arms, 2 claws. That's how I read this sentence. The way you interpret this sentence, it certainly seems to me like the carrion crawler gets the shaft when grappling with full attack, even if it has more natural weapon attacks at his disposal. Per your interpretation, a fighter w/BAB+20 holding one dagger gets 4 attacks while full attack grappling, but a carrion crawler with 8 tentacles can only use one of them to attack while in a full attack grapple with the same fighter, because the rules don't allow the carrion crawler to use BAB for multiple attacks and you read the previous sentence as "it only gets one?" I don't agree with that. The rule should not level the playing field unfairly just because PC's can use BAB for multiple attacks and the monster can't. Anyway I'm done with this one until I get some clear answers from WotC. I pray I am not waiting forever. Peace. [/QUOTE]

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