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<blockquote data-quote="Morrus" data-source="post: 3016331" data-attributes="member: 1">Not at all.&nbsp; All three attack types are a single attack and a single attack roll.&nbsp; No preliminary hold is required before a throw. A trip is a Throw attack, which requires one attack roll against the target's grapple armor class.&nbsp; If you succeed, he's prone.&nbsp; If you fail, he's not.Here's what the PDF says:To be honest, while I'd love to make that clearer in the PDF, I can't see how I can word it in a clearer way.&nbsp; I can't see anywhere where it implies that a hold is required before a throw, but if I have misphrased something somewhere, please let me know where so that I can correct it.Your example of someone making a throw attack without &quot;engaging in a grapple&quot;... well, for a start, you can't &quot;engage in a grapple&quot;: you're getting that from the core rules, not from this PDF.&nbsp; All you can do is attempt a Strike, Hold or Throw attack. Your example by these rules therefore goes as follows:Peter rolls to hit Paul*.&nbsp; He hits.&nbsp; Paul falls down.*Noting that you are using grapple attack bonus and grapple armor class.See how simple it is?&nbsp; You can see why I haven't included examples! Let me know if that clears things up.&nbsp; Remember, IGNORE the PHB grappling rules.&nbsp; Don't mix anything from the PHV section on grappling with this.&nbsp; They are two different systems.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Morrus, post: 3016331, member: 1"] Not at all. All three attack types are a single attack and a single attack roll. No preliminary hold is required before a throw. A trip is a Throw attack, which requires one attack roll against the target's grapple armor class. If you succeed, he's prone. If you fail, he's not. Here's what the PDF says: To be honest, while I'd love to make that clearer in the PDF, I can't see how I can word it in a clearer way. I can't see anywhere where it implies that a hold is required before a throw, but if I have misphrased something somewhere, please let me know where so that I can correct it. Your example of someone making a throw attack without "engaging in a grapple"... well, for a start, you can't "engage in a grapple": you're getting that from the core rules, not from this PDF. All you can do is attempt a Strike, Hold or Throw attack. Your example by these rules therefore goes as follows: [I][B]Peter rolls to hit Paul*. He hits. Paul falls down.[/B][/I] [SIZE=1]*Noting that you are using grapple attack bonus and grapple armor class.[/SIZE] See how simple it is? You can see why I haven't included examples! Let me know if that clears things up. Remember, IGNORE the PHB grappling rules. Don't mix anything from the PHV section on grappling with this. They are two different systems. [/QUOTE]

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