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<blockquote data-quote="telkar" data-source="post: 8178882" data-attributes="member: 6827205">Hi, in the case where the attacker has reduces bonuses in the opposite check, how do you manage the defenser bonus ?Generally opposite check are done with equity =&gt; you remove 5 on grapple check for defenser too ? Or does the defenser get a free infinite bonus ?And more deeply : as you use the rules from attacks bonus (Full Bonus / -5 / -10 ...), how do you manage this case :The fighter with 3 Attacks must make grapple checks at, for example BAB : +12 / +7 / +2 ... on a mageThe mage has BAB of +5 / nothing / nothing.--&gt; Does he &quot;defends&quot; at +5 3 times ? giving him like 2 free attacks rolls ? Does he make them with a BAB at +5 / +0 / -5 ? (and try to find where the rules permit this kind of BAB bonuses ...).Even more deeply : multiple opponent grapple ONE guy ... the defenser can make 6 rolls ? And same questions/compitations/rules breaking.Grapple is mainly 2 rolls : An attack rolls (that depend on rulls with main and secondaries attacks bonus) AND an opposite roll.Opposite rolls don't use the attacks rules. Simple.Or use All the attacks rules ... and then the mage can't roll on the 2nd grapple attemps as he can't make a 2nd attack.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="telkar, post: 8178882, member: 6827205"] Hi, in the case where the attacker has reduces bonuses in the opposite check, how do you manage the defenser bonus ? Generally opposite check are done with equity => you remove 5 on grapple check for defenser too ? Or does the defenser get a free infinite bonus ? And more deeply : as you use the rules from attacks bonus (Full Bonus / -5 / -10 ...), how do you manage this case : The fighter with 3 Attacks must make grapple checks at, for example BAB : +12 / +7 / +2 ... on a mage The mage has BAB of +5 / nothing / nothing. --> Does he "defends" at +5 3 times ? giving him like 2 free attacks rolls ? Does he make them with a BAB at +5 / +0 / -5 ? (and try to find where the rules permit this kind of BAB bonuses ...). Even more deeply : multiple opponent grapple ONE guy ... the defenser can make 6 rolls ? And same questions/compitations/rules breaking. Grapple is mainly 2 rolls : An attack rolls (that depend on rulls with main and secondaries attacks bonus) AND an opposite roll. Opposite rolls don't use the attacks rules. Simple. Or use All the attacks rules ... and then the mage can't roll on the 2nd grapple attemps as he can't make a 2nd attack. [/QUOTE]

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