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<blockquote data-quote="Greenstone.Walker" data-source="post: 7032732" data-attributes="member: 6788312">True. But the knock prone and grapple attempts are not automatically successful. The Ogre has +4 to resist them, which is not inconsiderable.Also, the fighter is not using a shield and is using a one-handed weapon, decreasing their defence and damage somewhat, and making it impossible to use two weapon fighting (style and feat), shield master feat, great weapon master (feat or style), etc.Finally, the fighter has to be level 11 or higher to do this (without Action Surge). One attack is taken up with the knock prone attempt, a second with the grapple attempt, and a third with the weapon attack.Why is an level 11 fighter mucking around grappling an ogre? Just use all three attacks to kill the dam thing and move on to the real challenge. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :-)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenstone.Walker, post: 7032732, member: 6788312"] True. But the knock prone and grapple attempts are not automatically successful. The Ogre has +4 to resist them, which is not inconsiderable. Also, the fighter is not using a shield and is using a one-handed weapon, decreasing their defence and damage somewhat, and making it impossible to use two weapon fighting (style and feat), shield master feat, great weapon master (feat or style), etc. Finally, the fighter has to be level 11 or higher to do this (without Action Surge). One attack is taken up with the knock prone attempt, a second with the grapple attempt, and a third with the weapon attack. Why is an level 11 fighter mucking around grappling an ogre? Just use all three attacks to kill the dam thing and move on to the real challenge. :-) [/QUOTE]

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