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Message: <blockquote data-quote="adwyn" data-source="post: 2347574" data-attributes="member: 14083">I gotta go with the keep them as is - Yes grapple can be nasty, but ever bull rush a PC of a cliff? They'll scream bloody murder about that as well. A PC needs to be capable of handling many situations so there will always be one trick opponents who don't suffer from that. The mechanics make sense if you loosen up your visualization a little. Weapons don't have to be dropped, they simply be pinned between the combatants. Grappling isn't just the Greco Roman wrestling most of us had in gym, but a catch all for those up close and personal moments of combat we see in the movies. Really weapons , locked together and a suprise  kick is just as likely an explanation.</blockquote>