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<blockquote data-quote="DrSpunj" data-source="post: 1370249" data-attributes="member: 994">I agree with you that the Flaming Sphere isn't in all 4 squares according to the rules, but disagree that it could only burn one square of Web per turn. That's what would happen if it was left in the square, but a Mage could concentrate with a Move Action to move it up to 30', potentially burning away 6 squares of Webbing as I read both spells.Back to your other point: the Flaming Sphere only ever occupies one square, and if it lands in any of the 4 squares the Bear occupies the Bear has to make a Reflex save or take damage. However, while the Elf &amp; Bear are Grappling, the Mage can't be sure that the Elf won't get damaged by the Flaming Sphere as well. To reflect that I *think* it's reasonable to give a proportional chance that the Elf comes into contact with the Flaming Sphere. Here proportional is the Elf's 1 square vs 4 squares of &quot;Bear space&quot;, so that's 25%. As I said before, if the percentiles came up against the Elf, then he would still get his Reflex save to avoid the effect, just like the Bear did.I like this because if the Elf was Grappling with a Huge Fiendish Monstrous Centipede, for example, who occupies a 15'/9 square space, the chance would only be 1/9 -&gt; 11%. That makes sense and seems fair to me. YMMV.Of course, I just realized this probably appeals to me because I yanked the Bull Rush &quot;chance to hit an unintended target&quot; to someone outside a Grapple attacking a grappling target. I picture grapplers really moving around a lot, twisting &amp; turning, and don't like the fact there's no chance to hit an unintended grappling target with a melee attack. The Core rules only outline a random chance for ranged attacks into a grapple, not melee. I think that's an oversight and I've houseruled the 25% chance like happens with AoOs and a Bull Rush, though currently that house rule doesn't proportionally adjust like I mention here. Hmm....Anyway, if your target is pinned or is the &quot;pinner&quot;, this house rule doesn't apply, because your target isn't moving around nearly as much.Thanks.DrSpunj</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DrSpunj, post: 1370249, member: 994"] I agree with you that the [i]Flaming Sphere[/i] isn't in all 4 squares according to the rules, but disagree that it could only burn one square of [i]Web[/i] per turn. That's what would happen if it was left in the square, but a Mage could concentrate with a Move Action to move it up to 30', potentially burning away 6 squares of [i]Web[/i]bing as I read both spells. Back to your other point: the [i]Flaming Sphere[/i] only ever occupies one square, and if it lands in any of the 4 squares the Bear occupies the Bear has to make a Reflex save or take damage. However, while the Elf & Bear are Grappling, the Mage can't be sure that the Elf won't get damaged by the [i]Flaming Sphere[/i] as well. To reflect that I *think* it's reasonable to give a proportional chance that the Elf comes into contact with the [i]Flaming Sphere[/i]. Here proportional is the Elf's 1 square vs 4 squares of "Bear space", so that's 25%. As I said before, if the percentiles came up against the Elf, then he would still get his Reflex save to avoid the effect, just like the Bear did. I like this because if the Elf was Grappling with a Huge Fiendish Monstrous Centipede, for example, who occupies a 15'/9 square space, the chance would only be 1/9 -> 11%. That makes sense and seems fair to me. YMMV. Of course, I just realized this probably appeals to me because I yanked the Bull Rush "chance to hit an unintended target" to someone outside a Grapple attacking a grappling target. I picture grapplers really moving around a lot, twisting & turning, and don't like the fact there's no chance to hit an unintended grappling target with a melee attack. The Core rules only outline a random chance for ranged attacks into a grapple, not melee. I think that's an oversight and I've houseruled the 25% chance like happens with AoOs and a Bull Rush, though currently that house rule doesn't proportionally adjust like I mention here. Hmm.... Anyway, if your target is pinned or is the "pinner", this house rule doesn't apply, because your target isn't moving around nearly as much. Thanks. DrSpunj [/QUOTE]

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