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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DrSpunj" data-source="post: 1370320" data-attributes="member: 994">I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have the Bear end his "Normal" grapple with the Elf and then start over with the "Improved Grab" type on his next successful attack. It *is* a huge advantage for the Bear to be able to switch between the two, but I have to agree with TE and Nail here. It makes sense to me that a Bear, something of great Strength and Large size, can bat an Elf around like a dog playing with a chew toy. Just like a dog gnawing on a chew toy (Normal grapple) can stop, put his paw over the toy (Improved Grab grapple) and then growl & snap at you when you try to grab it, I think the Bear has the same options. BUT, I think there are a couple reasonable restrictions here looking at the rules.1) The Bear must continue to use the natural attack that started the grapple in all remaining Improved Grab grapple checks. If it has text saying it switches which natural weapon its using for the Improved Grab grapple (like the Giant Praying Mantis does), then that obviously takes precedence.2) Whichever natural attack is being used in an Improved Grab grapple is still grappling, so regardless of whether the Bear chooses a Standard Action or Full Attack Action, he must make at least one grapple check a round with that natural attack (see #1). Even in an Improved Grab grapple, the Bear must still win an opposed grapple check to free his Claw or Bite attack if he wants to end the grapple. While it's a bit comical to think about, I can see all kinds of scenarios where the Elf may not want to end the Improved Grab grapple, not the least of which is that allows the Bear's now free Claw or Bite attack to go after one of his comrades, and therefore actually resists the Bear's attempt to escape/end the Improved Grab grapple.So while it is a powerful advantage for the Bear to be able to switch between the two round to round, he's still grappling in some capacity until he wins an opposed grapple check and escapes it. If it's a normal grapple then the whole Bear is grappling, if it's an Improved Grab grapple, then it's just his Claw or Bite, whichever established the grapple from the beginning.I think after thinking about all of this a bit more, I'll go back and rewrite how that battle *should* have gone, just to see if I've got everything straight. Then people can tell me how I've got it wrong, now! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Thanks.DrSpunjEdit: I only beat you by seconds, TE, but I'm glad to see we're on the same page. I'm only hoping it's the right one!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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