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<blockquote data-quote="Terry Edwards" data-source="post: 1370321" data-attributes="member: 10978">Proccessing...Indeed you are correct per the wording of Improved Grab, but that opens a whole new can of purple worms.&nbsp; With no official rules to cover the situation I have allowed a round by round switch at the Improved Grabber's option (provided Improved Grab was used to start the grapple).&nbsp; Let's say a brown bear uses Improved Grab to start a grapple with an elf and opts to use only the Improved Grab claw (taking -20).&nbsp; It seems odd that the bear would not be able to turn its full attention to the grapple the next round.&nbsp; Must it attack with the other claw first thereby starting another Improved Grab grapple on the elf it is already grappling (thereby treating the elf as grappling multiple opponents) or perhaps join the grapple as described on pg 157 phb?&nbsp; That's just ridiculous and the reason I rule the way I do.&nbsp; In the opposite case where the bear uses Improved grab and then conducts the grapple normally one might say that the bear cannot switch to Improved Grab/claw grappling mode since the elf is grappling every inch of the bear that it can get to.&nbsp; I would rule as I have that the bear can switch because it still has an Improved Grab claw hold on the elf and can swing the lesser creature around without much effort plus the elf can still accomplish the same manuevers as before but with less resistance.&nbsp; In either case the Improved Grabber can move with the grappled opponent and deal damage with a successful grapple check.&nbsp; Huge advantage?&nbsp; You bet it is, that's what Improved Grab is all about.&nbsp; Unfair?&nbsp; Maybe.&nbsp; More logical?&nbsp; Definitely.Edit.&nbsp; Looks like you posted just before I did DrSpunj and made the same points I did.&nbsp; So sorry about the repeat info.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Terry Edwards, post: 1370321, member: 10978"] Proccessing... Indeed you are correct per the wording of Improved Grab, but that opens a whole new can of purple worms. With no official rules to cover the situation I have allowed a round by round switch at the Improved Grabber's option (provided Improved Grab was used to start the grapple). Let's say a brown bear uses Improved Grab to start a grapple with an elf and opts to use only the Improved Grab claw (taking -20). It seems odd that the bear would not be able to turn its full attention to the grapple the next round. Must it attack with the other claw first thereby starting another Improved Grab grapple on the elf it is already grappling (thereby treating the elf as grappling multiple opponents) or perhaps join the grapple as described on pg 157 phb? That's just ridiculous and the reason I rule the way I do. In the opposite case where the bear uses Improved grab and then conducts the grapple normally one might say that the bear cannot switch to Improved Grab/claw grappling mode since the elf is grappling every inch of the bear that it can get to. I would rule as I have that the bear can switch because it still has an Improved Grab claw hold on the elf and can swing the lesser creature around without much effort plus the elf can still accomplish the same manuevers as before but with less resistance. In either case the Improved Grabber can move with the grappled opponent and deal damage with a successful grapple check. Huge advantage? You bet it is, that's what Improved Grab is all about. Unfair? Maybe. More logical? Definitely. Edit. Looks like you posted just before I did DrSpunj and made the same points I did. So sorry about the repeat info. [/QUOTE]

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