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<blockquote data-quote="ZansForCans" data-source="post: 1402092" data-attributes="member: 8059">Our group just fully realized this recently, and at first I too chafed at this. But, after thinking about it, I really think it's much more balanced. The lack of actions available to the pinned foe and the extra -4 to AC are pretty good to have to waste an attack for. In particular, since the foe is open to sneak attacks the loss of AC can be pretty dangerous. BTW, from the opening post, there is one rule quibble I'd have besides the one you were asking about. If I were being strict with the rules, I'm not sure I'd allow a Grapple (or Disarm/Trip) with a flurry of blows: &quot;When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons.&quot; But, maybe my arm just needs to be twisted <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="ZansForCans, post: 1402092, member: 8059"] Our group just fully realized this recently, and at first I too chafed at this. But, after thinking about it, I really think it's much more balanced. The lack of actions available to the pinned foe and the extra -4 to AC are pretty good to have to waste an attack for. In particular, since the foe is open to sneak attacks the loss of AC can be pretty dangerous. BTW, from the opening post, there is one rule quibble I'd have besides the one you were asking about. If I were being strict with the rules, I'm not sure I'd allow a Grapple (or Disarm/Trip) with a flurry of blows: "When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons." But, maybe my arm just needs to be twisted :) [/QUOTE]

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