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<blockquote data-quote="Camarath" data-source="post: 995044" data-attributes="member: 11987"><p>Answers from Grease spell in the SRD </p><p></p><p>Question: What does the spell say it does?</p><p>"A grease spell covers a solid surface with a layer of slippery grease."</p><p></p><p>Question: What in game effect does this grease have?</p><p>"Any creature entering the area or caught in it when the spell is cast must make a successful Reflex save or slip, skid, and fall. Those that successfully save can move at half speed across the surface. However, those that remain in the area must each make a new saving throw every round to avoid falling and to be able to move. The DM should adjust saving throws by circumstance."</p><p></p><p>Question: What other options does the Grease spell give the caster?</p><p>"The spell can also be used to create a greasy coating on an item. Material objects not in use are always affected by this spell, while objects wielded or employed by creatures receive a Reflex saving throw to avoid the effect. If the initial saving throw fails, the creature immediately drops the item. A saving throw must be made each round the creature attempts to pick up or use the greased item."</p><p></p><p>Question: How long does the spell and it grease last?</p><p>"Duration: 1 round/level (D)"</p><p></p><p>Question: What area does the spell effect and what is it's range?</p><p>"Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)</p><p>Target or Area: One object or a 10-ft. x </p><p>10-ft. square"</p><p></p><p>Question: Is the grease flammable?</p><p>Not Covered In The Spell</p><p></p><p>Question: How much damage does this grease deal?</p><p>Not Covered In The Spell</p><p></p><p>Question: Is burning grease consumed in the fire?</p><p>Not Covered In The Spell</p><p></p><p>Question: Is the grease a real chemical substance or is it a magical simulation of a known substance only demonstrating the specified properties?</p><p>Not Covered In The Spell</p><p></p><p>Question: Can I create any type of grease I want?</p><p>Not Covered In The Spell</p><p></p><p>Question: Can I create a grease containing Uranium isotope 235 and use the fabrication spell to form it into a small sphere?</p><p>Not Covered In The Spell</p><p></p><p>Question: Would this sphere undergo a self-sustaining fission reaction resulting in a nuclear explosion?</p><p>Not Covered In The Spell</p><p></p><p>Not Covered In The Spell = House Rule</p><p></p><p>Things not covered in the spell or the rules can not and should not be assumed to be possible. And by defualt are not possible unless the rules are added to, changed or bent. These are House Rules. Can I use the spell as written with out needing a house rule? Yes, I can because the spell does what it says it does. Can you use the spell to cause damage with out a house rule? No you can't because you are acting beyond the bounds and provisions of the spell and the existing rules. Can you extrapolate that it might be possible to interpret the spell in such a way that it can be used to cause damage? Yes sure you can its your game. Can you honestly claim that this is Core Rule and not a House Rule? You might but I don't think so since you would be wrong. Do the rules say that player may enter combat and say "I win" and all the monsters die? No they don't. Do they say player can't do so? No they don't, but one can not claim that by the core rules these choices are equally valid. The rules provide means for killing monsters, for preforming actions, and for the effects of magic. This by default exclude means not covered in the rules form being condidered to be in the rules. The game assumes that the DM will use house rules (or rulings if you prefer). This does not mean his rulings are sacrosanct or a part of the core rules. The core rules must be interpted strictly to counteract the natural tendency to twist and abuse them. Flavor text preferences and bad science should not be allowed to dictate core rule mechanics. Leniency and free form interptation are the DM poragative in-game, out of game the rules are as they are written. The rules do not need to make external sense only internal sense.</p><p></p><p>p.s. I hope this post is not to flammable. No hostility is directed at anyone. I just get frustanted when people use metagame logic to justify effects not covered by the rules.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Camarath, post: 995044, member: 11987"] Answers from Grease spell in the SRD Question: What does the spell say it does? "A grease spell covers a solid surface with a layer of slippery grease." Question: What in game effect does this grease have? "Any creature entering the area or caught in it when the spell is cast must make a successful Reflex save or slip, skid, and fall. Those that successfully save can move at half speed across the surface. However, those that remain in the area must each make a new saving throw every round to avoid falling and to be able to move. The DM should adjust saving throws by circumstance." Question: What other options does the Grease spell give the caster? "The spell can also be used to create a greasy coating on an item. Material objects not in use are always affected by this spell, while objects wielded or employed by creatures receive a Reflex saving throw to avoid the effect. If the initial saving throw fails, the creature immediately drops the item. A saving throw must be made each round the creature attempts to pick up or use the greased item." Question: How long does the spell and it grease last? "Duration: 1 round/level (D)" Question: What area does the spell effect and what is it's range? "Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Target or Area: One object or a 10-ft. x 10-ft. square" Question: Is the grease flammable? Not Covered In The Spell Question: How much damage does this grease deal? Not Covered In The Spell Question: Is burning grease consumed in the fire? Not Covered In The Spell Question: Is the grease a real chemical substance or is it a magical simulation of a known substance only demonstrating the specified properties? Not Covered In The Spell Question: Can I create any type of grease I want? Not Covered In The Spell Question: Can I create a grease containing Uranium isotope 235 and use the fabrication spell to form it into a small sphere? Not Covered In The Spell Question: Would this sphere undergo a self-sustaining fission reaction resulting in a nuclear explosion? Not Covered In The Spell Not Covered In The Spell = House Rule Things not covered in the spell or the rules can not and should not be assumed to be possible. And by defualt are not possible unless the rules are added to, changed or bent. These are House Rules. Can I use the spell as written with out needing a house rule? Yes, I can because the spell does what it says it does. Can you use the spell to cause damage with out a house rule? No you can't because you are acting beyond the bounds and provisions of the spell and the existing rules. Can you extrapolate that it might be possible to interpret the spell in such a way that it can be used to cause damage? Yes sure you can its your game. Can you honestly claim that this is Core Rule and not a House Rule? You might but I don't think so since you would be wrong. Do the rules say that player may enter combat and say "I win" and all the monsters die? No they don't. Do they say player can't do so? No they don't, but one can not claim that by the core rules these choices are equally valid. The rules provide means for killing monsters, for preforming actions, and for the effects of magic. This by default exclude means not covered in the rules form being condidered to be in the rules. The game assumes that the DM will use house rules (or rulings if you prefer). This does not mean his rulings are sacrosanct or a part of the core rules. The core rules must be interpted strictly to counteract the natural tendency to twist and abuse them. Flavor text preferences and bad science should not be allowed to dictate core rule mechanics. Leniency and free form interptation are the DM poragative in-game, out of game the rules are as they are written. The rules do not need to make external sense only internal sense. p.s. I hope this post is not to flammable. No hostility is directed at anyone. I just get frustanted when people use metagame logic to justify effects not covered by the rules. [/QUOTE]
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