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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Camarath" data-source="post: 996590" data-attributes="member: 11987">Have no poblem with those spells doing those things I just have a problem with saying that they necessarily do them. In my opinion there are rule points where a player (or another DM) can insist or aurge that that is the way the game works. I don't think any of these things fall in that category. They are all an individual DM's personal call these thing should IMO work the way the DM wants. If I did not make it clear the players should not be able to tell the DM whether or not the grease should be flammable, thats my take on the rules.I don't know and it does not fit as a common material in my game but I was mainly using it as a example of a substance that could be created by the spell and that would not be flammable.That is a good point. I think it does have some value in determining how long a substance would take to ignite.2 rounds and a blowtorch sounds much more resonable to me than one action and a medieval torch.I agree with that. I also think it is resonable that the grease might not burn if the DM thinks it shouldn't. The fact that the grease might burn or does burn is not in an of it's self a house rule but IMO the mechanic employed of simulate this fact would be a house rule.You can not assume that you can do it. Whether or not it is possible or probable is not what I was trying to address. What I was trying to address is what actions and effects under the rules can be assumed to be possible and which are ambiguous and thus the  DM call as to whether or not they are possible. I agree creative play should be encouraged IMO thats what this game is all about. I would probly let a player use the grease as an accelerant or ad-hoc damage spell if they wanted but would not let them dictate it's effects or even it's flammability to me.I agree normal grease should burn and having it do so is not a house rule. Magical grease might not function the same way are then again it might neither of which would be a house rule IMO.Crude oil is not a grease. A grease is a solid or semi-solid at normal tempratues. Sorry if this was a joke.You could kill some one who was helpless in 6 seconds (1 round) with a blowtorch and you might not be able to ingite grease in that period of time. Even with a Oxyacetylene blowtroch it would probly take more than a second (not much longer though) to kill some if they weren't helpless. Most comon understandings of those Laws anyway. Sorry, I didn't realizes you were making a joke.Sorry<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!    :o"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" /> did not mean to be offensive just meant it as a light jab. I always spell things wrong anyway so who am I to joke about it. I far as 133t speak please don't or I might really have to go and hide<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> . (that was i joke<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )</blockquote>

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