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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Camarath" data-source="post: 1196604" data-attributes="member: 11987">I was saying that an if a magical item is specifically targeted by the effect that allows an object to make a save it gets to make a save whether or not the effect deals damage. I am not saying magic items get saves if an effect does not have a save, does not specifically target the item, or explicitly disallows the item a save. I now think that I was wrong and an unattended magic item item would not get a save if targeted by the Grease spell. This is not because the spell does not deal damage but because as Mr. Trollman pointed out the Grease spell specifically denies a save to unattended item including magical ones. In general most effects that allow a save will be damaging effects but some effects allow items to make saves agianst results other that damage, such as the Gray Ooze's Acid ability where items save vs dissolving or the Polymorph Any Object spell where items get a save vs being polymorphed.Faire Fire - Saving Throw: NoneLight - Saving Throw: NoneDarkness - Saving Throw: NoneDaylight - Saving Throw: NoneArcane Mark - Saving Throw: NoneDaylight - Saving Throw: NoneArcane Mark - Saving Throw: NoneYour example spells do not allow saves so the targeted item does not get a save because there is not save to make. But if those spells allowed a save IMO an unattended magic item would indeed get a save.</blockquote>