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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 4371178" data-attributes="member: 957">Fair enough, but I think the anaolgy is falling apart.For 4e, the sales of the core are being pointed at as a form of proof that it will grow the number of long term players.  The reality that the response from people who have bought it had ranged the sceptrum from Awesome to meh to wtf is being ignored.  Yeah, there are also people who don't like 4e but also don't like the changes they see in PF.  But those people are not buying PF, so unlike the 4e core sales, these people are not being counted as false positives.  I'm sure you could find some ancedotes.  I've seen a few on the PF forums.  But it is a whole different realm.Honestly, the Beta isn't out yet, much less the final product.  There is still plenty of chance for Paizo to drop the ball.  but again, that is a different argumement.  Here is my point:There is much more reason to conclude that Paizo's sales are sustainably growing than there is to conclude the same for WotC.  It might be true for WotC.  But the data right now has much more of a new shiny - bubble effect in play AND the known meh to negative response related to recent actual sales both cast a much larger uncertainty on it.  yeah, a subscription can be canceled.  What would you rather have: a subscription from one person who has been playing the same basic game for years and willingly spending money on it every month, or the hope that a randomly selected former non-gamer (and remember the 4e arguement is hanging on growth of new blood) who picked up the 4e core deciding to start buying a book a month?   Will there be some?  Will there be enough?  Maybe, but far from presumably.</blockquote>

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