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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mad Hatter" data-source="post: 2456209" data-attributes="member: 23731">Of course, I was just saying why I chose her when someone else offered a justification.  My reasoning in no way nullifies or invalidates someone else's reasoning.  And you are right, I base villainy on the biggest bad ace who takes no prsioners and offers quarter and mercy only when it leads to bigger and better ace kicking.  That is entirely just me.Particle Man:  To me, a villain redeemed is a good guy who was once bad.  A villain is a villain until he is redeemed.  A child is a child until it grows up.  Vader's villainy isn't erased, the bad stuff doesn't go away.  His mark is forever.  But when comparing two apples, you got to find the bruise that makes one apple better than the other.  Vader just happened to be redeemed and the Borg Queen not.  So she is the better villain.  And your view is just as good as mine, we just differ.  I respect that, I am down with that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />   I was never trying to discount your view or make you see the error of your ways.  I was just offering a reasoning of why I chose her as some others had.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />   As for Borg Queen victories.  By the great law of the good guys, of course she'll never win.  Most villains won't win when it really counts, unless the writer has some great epiphany.  Vader didn't win in his most crucial of moments, i.e. killing Luke.  I base her wins and villainy on the fact that the species she and other queens have assimilated are many many.  And to tell the truth, she's had the Federation by the short hairs many times.  It took alot of effort and resources to defeat her in TNG.  Voyager had the forces of techno babble. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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