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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7244672" data-attributes="member: 6795602">&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would never consider HordeBreaker in a DPR contest because it can't hit the same target.&nbsp; It has it's uses for sure, but focus fire will prove much more useful and so I don't treat damage that can focus fire the same as damage that cannot.&nbsp; Speaking of focus fire.&nbsp; If the party is using optimal focus fire tactics then the ranger will find it difficult to keep hunter's mark on the same target.&nbsp; Everytime his target goes down he loses a bonus action attack (which will be quite often if the party is focus firing the same enemy each round).&nbsp; He also loses a bonus action attack at the start of each combat.&nbsp; So the hunter's mark using ranger get's no where near the number of bonus action attacks as a fighter.&nbsp; I think a good estimate would be about 50% of the time he will either have to give up hunter's mark or give up the extra attack.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A level 5 crossbow expert fighter will do 78 attacks in a 24 round day with 2 short rests.&nbsp; He will get 12 uses of precision.&nbsp; I would use precision on misses of 1-4.&nbsp; You will run out of precision on average before the end of the day, but not by much.&nbsp; You will turn on average 9.75 misses into hits with the 1-4 strategy.&nbsp; 9.75 / 12 = 12.5%.&nbsp; You will be gaining12.5% chance to hit.&nbsp; Like I say, a 15% chance to hit estimate is a very good estimate.&nbsp; As you mentioned you start getting more dice and bigger dice in the level ranges we are talking about as well and so what happens is some levels you are above 15% and other levels you will be slightly lower than 15%.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7244672, member: 6795602"] I would never consider HordeBreaker in a DPR contest because it can't hit the same target. It has it's uses for sure, but focus fire will prove much more useful and so I don't treat damage that can focus fire the same as damage that cannot. Speaking of focus fire. If the party is using optimal focus fire tactics then the ranger will find it difficult to keep hunter's mark on the same target. Everytime his target goes down he loses a bonus action attack (which will be quite often if the party is focus firing the same enemy each round). He also loses a bonus action attack at the start of each combat. So the hunter's mark using ranger get's no where near the number of bonus action attacks as a fighter. I think a good estimate would be about 50% of the time he will either have to give up hunter's mark or give up the extra attack. A level 5 crossbow expert fighter will do 78 attacks in a 24 round day with 2 short rests. He will get 12 uses of precision. I would use precision on misses of 1-4. You will run out of precision on average before the end of the day, but not by much. You will turn on average 9.75 misses into hits with the 1-4 strategy. 9.75 / 12 = 12.5%. You will be gaining12.5% chance to hit. Like I say, a 15% chance to hit estimate is a very good estimate. As you mentioned you start getting more dice and bigger dice in the level ranges we are talking about as well and so what happens is some levels you are above 15% and other levels you will be slightly lower than 15%. [/QUOTE]

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