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<blockquote data-quote="Coredump" data-source="post: 6523490" data-attributes="member: 6939"><p>You kind of 'hand wave' the issue of getting advantage, as if its trivial, Barbarian is about the only situation where you can be assured of getting it on a regular basis. (Except warlock I suppose) But lets look at it...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, I assume 18 Str? with Rage that would be 2d6+6; +7 to hit against AC 15 2 attks</p><p>average dmg: 24.2 (I assumed Rage and took into account criticals)</p><p></p><p>First is, you made a math error, you should have gotten about 26.59</p><p>Average dmg: 31.9 An increase of 31.8%</p><p></p><p></p><p>So now you need 13 to hit, with advantage</p><p>average damage: 30.8 An increase of 30.8%</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, even in the example that you created.... PAM produces more damage.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And this assumes you are using reckless attack, without it, the PAM advantage gets *bigger*, and you don't get hit as often. RA means you are taking a lot more damage just to help GWM be almost as good as PAM.</p><p></p><p></p><p>We are getting into some pretty subjective issues here.... but I would also say that you are more likely to get the PAM OAs than the GWM extra attacks, you are pretty much guaranteed someone is going to run into range, usually several times in a fight. Getting a GWM extra attack is not as certain.</p><p></p><p>I have no idea how you jump to a 60% bonus.... and whatever the percentage is, its likely to be about the same as PAM, even using your own example.</p><p></p><p>And lets not forget, it is inherently better to get more hits for less damage, then to get fewer hits of high damage. (Assuming same total damage) Which is another advantage for PAM.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coredump, post: 6523490, member: 6939"] You kind of 'hand wave' the issue of getting advantage, as if its trivial, Barbarian is about the only situation where you can be assured of getting it on a regular basis. (Except warlock I suppose) But lets look at it... So, I assume 18 Str? with Rage that would be 2d6+6; +7 to hit against AC 15 2 attks average dmg: 24.2 (I assumed Rage and took into account criticals) First is, you made a math error, you should have gotten about 26.59 Average dmg: 31.9 An increase of 31.8% So now you need 13 to hit, with advantage average damage: 30.8 An increase of 30.8% So, even in the example that you created.... PAM produces more damage. And this assumes you are using reckless attack, without it, the PAM advantage gets *bigger*, and you don't get hit as often. RA means you are taking a lot more damage just to help GWM be almost as good as PAM. We are getting into some pretty subjective issues here.... but I would also say that you are more likely to get the PAM OAs than the GWM extra attacks, you are pretty much guaranteed someone is going to run into range, usually several times in a fight. Getting a GWM extra attack is not as certain. I have no idea how you jump to a 60% bonus.... and whatever the percentage is, its likely to be about the same as PAM, even using your own example. And lets not forget, it is inherently better to get more hits for less damage, then to get fewer hits of high damage. (Assuming same total damage) Which is another advantage for PAM. [/QUOTE]
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