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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 7195496" data-attributes="member: 23">HelloContext:&nbsp; This is a re-post of a discussion in another thread about clerics where quite frankly it derailed the tread, and I though I should repost here.&nbsp; I did all this work after all <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :P"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />&nbsp;&nbsp; These calculations were done at the request of [MENTION=12731]CapnZapp[/MENTION] .A lot of people feel that the feat Great Weapon Mastery is broken - much too overpowered.&nbsp;&nbsp; The reason why is that the - 5 penalty to hit is &quot;trivial&quot; and can easily be circumvented with advantage, or other to hit boosters (such as Bless).&nbsp; Personally I felt it might have been a bit too strong, but I was annoyed that few people were doing the *proper* comparison.&nbsp; You shouldn't compare normal attack vs GMW + advantage.&nbsp; You should compare normal attack + advantage to GMW + advantage!&nbsp; Otherwise the comparison wasn't &quot;real&quot;.I never bothered doing the math though until later, when I was creating a level 11 Barbarian.&nbsp; I feel it's important to do these exercises with &quot;real&quot; characters that are actually going to be used.&nbsp; So here comes Lal Qualandar, a barbarian-hermit (a sort of wandering mystic), featured in [MENTION=20323]Quickleaf[/MENTION] 's game.&nbsp; With the feat, his strength will be 18. Without, it will be 20, so there is an opportunity cost to taking the feat.&nbsp; It should be noted that he has a +2 great axe.[ATTACH]87140[/ATTACH]As you can see, GWM is good but it is *nowhere* as good as +10 to damage per attack, even with advantagePost 2 to follow, if I put more than one table per post it's messed up - the story isn't over!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 7195496, member: 23"] Hello Context: This is a re-post of a discussion in another thread about clerics where quite frankly it derailed the tread, and I though I should repost here. I did all this work after all :P These calculations were done at the request of [MENTION=12731]CapnZapp[/MENTION] . A lot of people feel that the feat Great Weapon Mastery is broken - much too overpowered. The reason why is that the - 5 penalty to hit is "trivial" and can easily be circumvented with advantage, or other to hit boosters (such as Bless). Personally I felt it might have been a bit too strong, but I was annoyed that few people were doing the *proper* comparison. You shouldn't compare normal attack vs GMW + advantage. You should compare normal attack [B]+ advantage[/B] to GMW + advantage! Otherwise the comparison wasn't "real". I never bothered doing the math though until later, when I was creating a level 11 Barbarian. I feel it's important to do these exercises with "real" characters that are actually going to be used. So here comes Lal Qualandar, a barbarian-hermit (a sort of wandering mystic), featured in [MENTION=20323]Quickleaf[/MENTION] 's game. With the feat, his strength will be 18. Without, it will be 20, so there is an opportunity cost to taking the feat. It should be noted that he has a +2 great axe. [ATTACH=CONFIG]87140._xfImport[/ATTACH] As you can see, GWM is good but it is *nowhere* as good as +10 to damage per attack, even with advantage Post 2 to follow, if I put more than one table per post it's messed up - the story isn't over! [/QUOTE]

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