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Great Weapon Mastery - once more into the breach! (with math)
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<blockquote data-quote="DaveDash" data-source="post: 7196046" data-attributes="member: 6786202"><p>GWM isn't much of a problem at level 7 IMO, it's later levels (11+) it starts to become more of an issue. More attacks (Fighter), higher stat bonuses, less opportunity cost due to maxed out stats. </p><p></p><p>Basically GWM damage pulls away the more buffs you throw on the GWM, which aligns to what generally happens in game (characters buff the GWM who goes into battle and causes big damage numbers).</p><p></p><p>Under 'normal' circumstances GWM isn't that impressive, but remember the GWM player can pick and choose when he uses it to maximise its effect. Past a certain level it's really a no brainer and effectively a must have feat for a melee character, which means IMO that it's not adequately balanced. </p><p></p><p>Note: I am not factoring in crits, battle master extra attack bonus, or bonus attack from GWM cleave for simplicity sake. Cleave itself also adds quite a bit to the power of GWM since you can proc it quite a bit. Anyhow..</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]87159[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>One interesting thing to note about this is if you're a Paladin and smiting, it's typically not worth your while using GWM since your base damage is so high anyway. It does become worth it though if you get a lot of buffs (Vengeance Paladins can self haste and also get advantage using their channel divinity).</p><p></p><p>In games it's not what is happening on the left side of the spreadsheet that causes DM's to throw their dice out in frustration, it's the right hand side, when the party knows they're coming up to a tough fight and buff their GWM character up the wazoo and let him have at 'em.</p><p></p><p>And then there's Sharpshooter. Sharpshooter is more of a problem due to the inherent +2 archery style synergy bonus. Throw in crossbow expert for the extra attack and you have fun times. These numbers are just dirty:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]87160[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>You can build an Eldritch Knight that can self haste and pick up crossbow expert and sharpshooter, so it's not too hard to achieve these numbers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DaveDash, post: 7196046, member: 6786202"] GWM isn't much of a problem at level 7 IMO, it's later levels (11+) it starts to become more of an issue. More attacks (Fighter), higher stat bonuses, less opportunity cost due to maxed out stats. Basically GWM damage pulls away the more buffs you throw on the GWM, which aligns to what generally happens in game (characters buff the GWM who goes into battle and causes big damage numbers). Under 'normal' circumstances GWM isn't that impressive, but remember the GWM player can pick and choose when he uses it to maximise its effect. Past a certain level it's really a no brainer and effectively a must have feat for a melee character, which means IMO that it's not adequately balanced. Note: I am not factoring in crits, battle master extra attack bonus, or bonus attack from GWM cleave for simplicity sake. Cleave itself also adds quite a bit to the power of GWM since you can proc it quite a bit. Anyhow.. [ATTACH=CONFIG]87159._xfImport[/ATTACH] One interesting thing to note about this is if you're a Paladin and smiting, it's typically not worth your while using GWM since your base damage is so high anyway. It does become worth it though if you get a lot of buffs (Vengeance Paladins can self haste and also get advantage using their channel divinity). In games it's not what is happening on the left side of the spreadsheet that causes DM's to throw their dice out in frustration, it's the right hand side, when the party knows they're coming up to a tough fight and buff their GWM character up the wazoo and let him have at 'em. And then there's Sharpshooter. Sharpshooter is more of a problem due to the inherent +2 archery style synergy bonus. Throw in crossbow expert for the extra attack and you have fun times. These numbers are just dirty: [ATTACH=CONFIG]87160._xfImport[/ATTACH] You can build an Eldritch Knight that can self haste and pick up crossbow expert and sharpshooter, so it's not too hard to achieve these numbers. [/QUOTE]
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