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Message: <blockquote data-quote="hejtmane" data-source="post: 7196163" data-attributes="member: 6799371">You mean what existed in D&D before AD&D existed it even happened in 1e with weapon speed factors, space required etc. By reading the forms also happened in 3, 3.5 and 4. What else is new; there are the people that use it an optimize because they like doing big damage, then there is a group that complain because people optimize and everything in between. Been happening since the dawn of time it is just now it is seen more on messages boards but all this happened back before the internet people were still optimzing characters to do the most damage.Why do people act shocked about that and why do people act like it did not happened in previous editions before the internet. We optimized back in the old days as while</blockquote>