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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 7196165" data-attributes="member: 6855114">I love these threads.There are basicaly two sides.Those that say that the feat is OP.Those that say that the feat is not OP.I am on the latter. So far, I have yet to see, on a regular basis,  GWM and SS do the kind of damage people are claiming to see. Yes it does happen sometimes. But it is usualy against low level, low AC mobs.Here is what I see happening most of the time.GWM (or SS) is buffed. Gets in, get to see all his buffs being dispel by a simple low 5th level priest/wizard (or whatever can dispel magic). Player curses and buffers loses a round to rebuff the GWM (or SS) if they have the time to do it. Or as the wizard and priests are concentrating on the buffed character, they get attacked by a sneaky assassin, an AOE spell or whatever else forces them to make a concentration check. A DM I know had a problem with a tough fight he had conconted for his players but he had a lot of problem with the GWM Paladin. He asked me to coDM that fight and I accepted. I modified a his encounter a bit with the knowledge the vilain had gained on the PC (he was their arch vilain). I simply used a Dispel rune at the entry way to the room of the vilain. As the GWM charged in, he got all his spells dispel and I heard a lot of curses from the players. They won the fight anyways. But the fight was a bloody long one (14 rounds!). It was the first time these players had such a long fight. The fights they were used to,  were usualy over by round 6. The GWM and SS feat are as unbalanced as you let them to be. Sure once in a while, all buffs stay up and and the players are quite happy. Sometimes, buffs go down the drain and the curses start to appear. The pitfall I see most of the time is BBEGB (big bad end game boss) with mediocre AC getting toast by a buffed GWM or SS. An Adult blue Dragon with the spell Blur, Shield and Dispel magic can be a real surprise to a group used to make a super powered hitter to the exclusion of everything else. From AC 19 the dragon suddenly has an AC of 24 as a reaction. A simple blur can negate advantage for a long time and a nice dispel can really ruin the one hitter tactic. A simple wing attack on the GWM and there is a real chance that the character gets prone, leaving the dragon in a good position to move on the other characters in the back and using it's breath weapon on the PCs at the rear. These dragons are a good challenge for a 12th to 14th level PCs. The closer the PCs are to the actual CR of the dragon, the more likely it is to see some other underling with the dragon. A dragon priest or two. A wormling or maybe a half dragon or two with their "daddy"? A dragon that old has a few tricks up its sleeves. And what about an Ancient Red dragon with Anti-Magic field as a spell to challenge level 20 PCs?</blockquote>

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