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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7199734" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Thanks for helping me focus my mind on this issue.  You are right that exact chances of precision helping with advantage will start to depend on chance to hit unlike how precision works without advantage.  However, your example of +4 hit vs a 16ac actually puts us right near the midpoint because we rarely care about trying to use precision attack on very bad misses (Just misses where we miss by up to 4 or 5 typically).  Your example uses semi realistic numbers and puts us right in the middle range for "near misses" and as long as we are close to the middle of a d20 with our near misses then precision will only diverge slightly from the non-advantage case.  If the enemies ac grows then the value needed for a near miss grows and this will actually increase precision attacks effectiveness.  The only time precision will be really less effective is if a near miss occurs when I roll in the lower single digits which is typically pretty unlikely with GWM.  All in all I think precision attack actually gets amplified in most natural cases by the GWM feat.One issue I keep seeing you do is trying to use a precision attack dice any time it might could turn a miss into a hit.  Precision attack requires smarter use than that and it's smarter to only use it on misses of so great a magnitude (depending on a few factors).  Typically you don't want to use precision attack when you miss by more than 4 or 5.  It's a waste in those situations and if you are a high level fighter with 3 or 4 attacks a round you may only want to use it when you miss by 3 or 4 because your more attacks will mean more misses so you can start to actively seek out even "closer misses" due to your greater number of misses due to your greater number of attacks.  If you do use precision on any miss where it could help or nearly any miss it could help when you are making 3+ attacks a turn then you will burn through your precision dice too fast and not get to use them the whole day.  There's a bit of an optimization strategy you need to follow to maximize the effects.</blockquote>

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