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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grog" data-source="post: 596197" data-attributes="member: 6183">Vek - I thought a bit more about the druid throwing empowered Flame Strikes. Here's what I can come up with.Druid starts with 18 Wisdom. Take Spellcasing Prodigy which will make it effectively 20. 3 stat increases make it 23. +6 Wisdom item gets you to 29.At 14th level, that would give 4 6th level slots for empowered Flame Strikes, and 6 4th level slots for ordinary ones.Taking Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration would give him a slightly better than 50-50 chance to beat the dragon's SR. Taking Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus would make the DC for the Flame Strikes 27. So the dragon would probably save about 2/3's of the time.So about 40% of the time, you're doing no damage at all, about 40% of the time you'll do 10d6 damage, and 20% of the time you'll hit for 42d6.So, if you're lucky, you could wipe the dragon out with a few of those spells. But, you would have to be pretty lucky.On the other hand, when properly buffed, the cleric archer you were thinking about could have a RAB of +36, or +34 when using Rapid Shot. So landing 2 or 3 hits on the dragon in a round wouldn't be inconcievable. He could score somewhere around 35 damage per hit on average, too.Either way, it'll still be tough to kill.</blockquote>