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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Apok" data-source="post: 632835" data-attributes="member: 1969">I don't see this whole "dc arms race" thing you are mentioning.  At the absolute maximum, not taking into account PrC's or Smackdown! tactics, a human Wizard can have spell DC's of 26 + Spell level in one school by 20th level.  This assumes he starts w/ an 18 Int, puts all of his stat boosts into Int, gets a Headband of Intellect +6 and a Book of Int +5 (can't remember the actual name).  If he's casting any other spell not from his Focused school, that DC drops to 22 + spell level.  This is hardly what I would consider an arms race, especially considering what you'll be fighting at 20th level.  You are essentially referring to the Save or Die spells like Finger of Death, Disintegration, Implosion, Flesh to Stone, etc.  Granted, these spells become the mainstay of many spellcasters at higher levels, since by that time their damaging spells just aren't cutting it.  In this case, the problem lies with the spell and not the GSF feat.  Check out WotC's website for some cool guidelines on how to make the "save or die" spells a little less fearsome.  As far as fighters are concerned, IMO they don't need feats like the ones you advocate.  They are capable of dishing out more damage than a wizard could ever dream of at high levels.  High Strength + Iterative attacks + Feats + PrC abilities + Spells + judicious use of Power Attack is going to let them dish out hundreds (and I'm in no way exaggurating this number, I've seen it firsthand) of points of damage each round.  There are many such feats printed in various third party materials.  Go to your FLGS and check 'em out, I think you'll be pleasantly suprised.  GSF doesn't need to be an epic feat, we've already got Epic Spell Focus.</blockquote>

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