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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Apok" data-source="post: 636730" data-attributes="member: 1969">Obviously, but that's still nothing in comparison with a Fighters attack bonus at higher levels.  Okay, so from levels 1-17 a Wizard has a 9 point variation on their DC's.  Fighters of 17th level have a +17 to their attack bonus, and this is all the time.  Last I heard, Wizards can't cast 9th level spells all day long.  ...and it's burgundy, not maroon.  Sheesh.  Okay, I will.  All of them.  Advance a monster enough, weather by class or by HD, and its saves will be more than enough to deal with DC 30 spells (and if you aren't advancing monsters by the time your players can cast DC 30 spells, the problem lies with the DM).  Then take into account buffing spells that their allies cast on them and the magical items they may have.  They ain't just sitting around in some strongbox or treasure horde, they're using 'em.I agree, once you start the stacking then it gets way out of hand, but the easiest thing to get rid of isn't GSF, its the PrC's that provide Spellpower.  That's what causes the mind-bogglingly high DC's that so often appear in the various Smackdown! threads.  GSF isn't the problem child, here.  It offers a +2 DC to one school, one bloody frikkin' school, and that's it.      Damn right!!  We claim this thread by Right of Conquest! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />To be serious, I honestly don't get where he's coming from in saying that GSF somehow makes wizards so powerfull that they unbalance the game.  I've played in plenty of games with plenty of Wizards and I think all of them had GSF, but none of them were the warmongering ubermunchkins that he implies they should be.  Once you hit around 10th level, the Fighters and other heavy-hitters are the Kings of Beatdown, not the spellcasters.  I think we should just Agree to Disagree on this subject, and chalk it up to differing styles of play, since we can't convince you and you can't convince us.</blockquote>

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