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Message: <blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 4013289" data-attributes="member: 9789">I guess there are a couple of things I think just don't quite suit me with your system.  It seems to balance out the low levels with additional damage, but then you're depending on extremely high turn resistance to rebalance high levels.  I think I'd rather have something more even, overall.For example, the 6th level optimized cleric above will still have a 60% chance to do 60% damage to a 14 HD undead using your rule - that's even more damage, and the only thing that can really mitigate that is your turn resistance.  Your system seems to depend on all 12+ HD undead having turn resistance.  While that's not a bad fix, and probably no worse than what I'm thinking of with the additional feats, it's just not something I think suits me.I do think you've got a good idea for greater turning, though:  maximized damage is better and MUCH simpler than 1.5x damage but not as good as 2x damage (on average).Edit:  Actually, I think you've got another really good idea there in the Knowledge(Religion) adding +2 to damage idea...  Here's the train of thought:  where does destroy undead suck?  At very low levels.  What would adding +2 to the TOTAL damage done do?  NOTHING at high levels, but really help out at low levels (1d6+2 would really make a huge difference and actually put CR 1/3 skeletons into 50% chance to kill range...).  What else would this change do?  Put a flat -10% to all saves.  Hmm...Edit again:  Crap!  Just remembered that level 1 clerics are still out in the cold:  5 ranks is only possible by level 2.  Hmm...</blockquote>

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