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Message: <blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 4013465" data-attributes="member: 9789">You have a good point about turn resistance; I guess part of the issue is that I just don't feel that level of immunity should be transfered to a new system.  Again, you end up creating two distinct classes of undead:  those with it, and those without.  A cleric can still do significant damage to a 20 HD undead, but he can't touch an undead with 10 HD if it has turn resistance.  That seems too uneven.  I'd rather turn resistance just make the 10 HD undead more like a 14 HD undead, not grant it blanket immunity.And the 1d6+1 is a good idea, but +1 for each level really adds up - and then you're just doing MORE damage (hence the need for even -stronger- turn resistance).  I was thinking maybe just +Cha bonus...  Not much chance of it outpacing levels once you hit level 4, but it really helps in the low range where you need it.</blockquote>