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<blockquote data-quote="Scurvy_Platypus" data-source="post: 4584824" data-attributes="member: 43283"><p>Ok, so here's how I "know":</p><p></p><p>First, there's this thread on the WotC boards:</p><p><a href="http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1026466" target="_blank">GSL News - Wizards Community</a></p><p></p><p>Relevant note:</p><p></p><p></p><p>There's also of course the Q&A bit that was posted here at ENWorld:</p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-news/225231-heres-4e-gaming-system-license-interview-youve-all-been-waiting.html" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-news/225231-heres-4e-gaming-system-license-interview-youve-all-been-waiting.html</a></p><p></p><p>There's also this bit of news from the WotC website back in April of 2008:</p><p><a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080417a" target="_blank">D&D 4th Edition Game System License</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's up to the publishers to keep abreast of what's happening in relation to things like the d20 STL. To my knowledge, WotC is under no obligation to inform people of the license changing. In fact section 9 of the d20 STL that I'm reading says:</p><p></p><p></p><p>The decision for the 4e GSL to _replace_ the d20 STL would count as a revision to the license I think.</p><p></p><p>Plus, WotC can terminate the license at any point it feels like anyway. Which, again, they've done so.</p><p></p><p>None of this stuff is new or controversial. The people that have a d20 STL all know about the termination of the license and if they don't? I think that speaks volumes about the company.</p><p></p><p>You (or other people) might not be _happy_ with it, but... why are you making a big deal about it now? If a company wants to, they can convert their existing materials from d20 STL over to OGL. Nothing stopping them from doing that. They're just not going to be able to use the d20 Logo and they're not going to be able to use specific Wizards of the Coast IP.</p><p></p><p>Yes, a lot of people might have a "financial stake" in the whole issue of the d20 STL and the GSL. But at the end of the day, WotC seems to have taken a "it's not our problem" stance. What is the point of terminating the d20 STL and putting out the GSL that they have?</p><p></p><p></p><p>There were months of flamewars about this, and at the end of the day... WotC can do what they want. It's their property. Everyone that signed up and used the d20 STL knew that WotC could change the terms whenever they felt like it.</p><p></p><p>If people want to keep arguing about this, I think it'd be more appropriate to do it in some other thread. I've only posted the answers here that I have because it seems like a pretty cut and dried thing to me. It's done.</p><p></p><p>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>And to try and not be responsible for derailing this thread...</p><p></p><p>Hopefully, this is just a first step for Green Ronin. I might be off base, but it seems to me to be a nice way for them to position themselves to start producing 3rd Ed material again if they think there's enough of a market to support it.</p><p></p><p>3rd Era basically allows them to create a brand, kinda like Paizo is doing with the whole Pathfinder thing.</p><p></p><p>Locating their current 3rd Ed material under the new brand means that they've got the potential to tap into some "brand loyalty". If there's enough of a market, I imagine they'll update their materials if need be.</p><p></p><p>One reason they might hold off, is to see how well Pathfinder does. If it has a large enough market, it's always possible that the "update" that they'd do to their older books would be to the Pathfinder version of the d20 rules.</p><p></p><p>If Pathfinder doesn't do well but there's still enough demand for "straight" d20 books, then they might update it to the latest d20 SRD rules.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scurvy_Platypus, post: 4584824, member: 43283"] Ok, so here's how I "know": First, there's this thread on the WotC boards: [url=http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1026466]GSL News - Wizards Community[/url] Relevant note: There's also of course the Q&A bit that was posted here at ENWorld: [url]http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-news/225231-heres-4e-gaming-system-license-interview-youve-all-been-waiting.html[/url] There's also this bit of news from the WotC website back in April of 2008: [url=http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20080417a]D&D 4th Edition Game System License[/url] It's up to the publishers to keep abreast of what's happening in relation to things like the d20 STL. To my knowledge, WotC is under no obligation to inform people of the license changing. In fact section 9 of the d20 STL that I'm reading says: The decision for the 4e GSL to _replace_ the d20 STL would count as a revision to the license I think. Plus, WotC can terminate the license at any point it feels like anyway. Which, again, they've done so. None of this stuff is new or controversial. The people that have a d20 STL all know about the termination of the license and if they don't? I think that speaks volumes about the company. You (or other people) might not be _happy_ with it, but... why are you making a big deal about it now? If a company wants to, they can convert their existing materials from d20 STL over to OGL. Nothing stopping them from doing that. They're just not going to be able to use the d20 Logo and they're not going to be able to use specific Wizards of the Coast IP. Yes, a lot of people might have a "financial stake" in the whole issue of the d20 STL and the GSL. But at the end of the day, WotC seems to have taken a "it's not our problem" stance. What is the point of terminating the d20 STL and putting out the GSL that they have? There were months of flamewars about this, and at the end of the day... WotC can do what they want. It's their property. Everyone that signed up and used the d20 STL knew that WotC could change the terms whenever they felt like it. If people want to keep arguing about this, I think it'd be more appropriate to do it in some other thread. I've only posted the answers here that I have because it seems like a pretty cut and dried thing to me. It's done. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And to try and not be responsible for derailing this thread... Hopefully, this is just a first step for Green Ronin. I might be off base, but it seems to me to be a nice way for them to position themselves to start producing 3rd Ed material again if they think there's enough of a market to support it. 3rd Era basically allows them to create a brand, kinda like Paizo is doing with the whole Pathfinder thing. Locating their current 3rd Ed material under the new brand means that they've got the potential to tap into some "brand loyalty". If there's enough of a market, I imagine they'll update their materials if need be. One reason they might hold off, is to see how well Pathfinder does. If it has a large enough market, it's always possible that the "update" that they'd do to their older books would be to the Pathfinder version of the d20 rules. If Pathfinder doesn't do well but there's still enough demand for "straight" d20 books, then they might update it to the latest d20 SRD rules. [/QUOTE]
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