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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 1126081" data-attributes="member: 172">I would agree the epic holes have some rules in them. However:No, it's not really like that at all. Epic monsters take advantage of the higher end rules, spells, and feats, but it's not (or at least, shouldn't be) a dichotomous situation. 3.5 monsters help pull the epic and non epic creatures a bit closer at the "edge."At any rate, I have tossed in lava wights and paragon creatures in a game and they played out just as well as great wyrms would have. (And a good deal better than the Tarrasque.)This is a bizarre assertion; it seems to me that this is a bit like some people I know who tell me, for example, that everyone out there is dying to toss the spell slot system just because they are personally dissatisfied with the system. This is, in fact, projecting.There are people out there who don't like psionics, or plane travelling, or what have you. But they aren't exactly in the majority and you can't suspend publishing just because you have a few people who really are in a nit about a particular rules element. The fact is, the epic level rules are the de facto rules to be used for high level challenges. I don't think that Green Ronin (or any other publisher) necessarily needs to even really use those rules directly, but at least now that the epic rules exist, they have a reference point that they can use to create those creatures and have them be usable by a vast majority of d20 players who are playing in that range.The biggest problem with the ELH, IMHO, is not the rules so much as the blandness of it all. What the epic level rules need is to be addressed by imaginiative companies. Like Green Ronin. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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