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<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 9703800" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>My initial reaction was: What the hell is he talking about!?!? Then I figured it out... Do you know the last time I actually used a Green Ronin book? It's been 20 years... I have pretty much the whole 3.0/3.5e era GR collection. I recently moved and my RPG library is over three tons (3000+kg), that's insane! It's too much (and will be gutting it significantly). I'm not buying anymore physical books! But paying full price for pdfs of books I already own... Yeah, also not so happy about that, thus such bundles are great for getting books I already own in pdf. Those books were not bought at a deep discount during a sale, those were bought when they came out. The physical pnp RPG books I bought in the last decade is probably D&D PHB 2014 and the PHB/DMG/MM 2014 gift set. But I have bought ~$1500 worth of FVTT modules in the last two years, a few hundred $ on Pathfinder pdfs at full price at release, and quite a bit on pdf bundles and pdf sales.</p><p></p><p>Also keep in mind, that what's somethings worth depends on the person buying it (or not). And to me, most of the RPG books are not worth it to me at full price, quite often because I don't actually <em>use</em> them. And when a publisher chooses to offer their books for cheap in a pdf bundle, I'll kindly take them up on the offer. You <em>might</em> say that the publisher doesn't value their own product when they do that... Or... You could say that they are offering their product to an audience that normally wouldn't buy their product and as it's a digital product, it's actually not costing them any money to sell them at a deep discount such a long time after release.</p><p></p><p>So Morrus, you run a business, ready to start begging people for money? GR is a business, not a charity. They sell products, we buy em if we want them and the price is right... I also run a business, I'm a freelancer and need to insure myself for all kinds of things, that's the cost of doing business as a business! I also build a buffer for when I don't have clients, for when they pay late or not at all, etc.</p><p></p><p>Now also let me ask you, when you bought a game at release at full price, and then a few years later you suddenly see that game for sale at 1/20th of the price by that same publisher. Will you buy the next game at full price? Depends if you had a great time at release playing it I would say... What if you didn't get the chance yet due to circumstances and now that it's on sale you still haven't played it... That same publisher is now shoving a bunch of deeply discounted other games in your face, that's not one, it's all of them. </p><p></p><p>And that's not just true of PC games, it's also true of pnp RPG books, especially in PDF. And why is that? It's all digital, thus costs almost nothing to sell. I would say the market is not just full, it's overpopulated, that strongly devalues the work of creators. That most are willing to work for peanuts even more so. I fill my digital library with such sales their owners consider virtually worthless... If I remember correctly there are also a couple of virtually worthless EN Publishing titles in there, that some fans bought at full price... What do you say to the customers that bought it at full price? Who is setting these expectations?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 9703800, member: 725"] My initial reaction was: What the hell is he talking about!?!? Then I figured it out... Do you know the last time I actually used a Green Ronin book? It's been 20 years... I have pretty much the whole 3.0/3.5e era GR collection. I recently moved and my RPG library is over three tons (3000+kg), that's insane! It's too much (and will be gutting it significantly). I'm not buying anymore physical books! But paying full price for pdfs of books I already own... Yeah, also not so happy about that, thus such bundles are great for getting books I already own in pdf. Those books were not bought at a deep discount during a sale, those were bought when they came out. The physical pnp RPG books I bought in the last decade is probably D&D PHB 2014 and the PHB/DMG/MM 2014 gift set. But I have bought ~$1500 worth of FVTT modules in the last two years, a few hundred $ on Pathfinder pdfs at full price at release, and quite a bit on pdf bundles and pdf sales. Also keep in mind, that what's somethings worth depends on the person buying it (or not). And to me, most of the RPG books are not worth it to me at full price, quite often because I don't actually [I]use[/I] them. And when a publisher chooses to offer their books for cheap in a pdf bundle, I'll kindly take them up on the offer. You [I]might[/I] say that the publisher doesn't value their own product when they do that... Or... You could say that they are offering their product to an audience that normally wouldn't buy their product and as it's a digital product, it's actually not costing them any money to sell them at a deep discount such a long time after release. So Morrus, you run a business, ready to start begging people for money? GR is a business, not a charity. They sell products, we buy em if we want them and the price is right... I also run a business, I'm a freelancer and need to insure myself for all kinds of things, that's the cost of doing business as a business! I also build a buffer for when I don't have clients, for when they pay late or not at all, etc. Now also let me ask you, when you bought a game at release at full price, and then a few years later you suddenly see that game for sale at 1/20th of the price by that same publisher. Will you buy the next game at full price? Depends if you had a great time at release playing it I would say... What if you didn't get the chance yet due to circumstances and now that it's on sale you still haven't played it... That same publisher is now shoving a bunch of deeply discounted other games in your face, that's not one, it's all of them. And that's not just true of PC games, it's also true of pnp RPG books, especially in PDF. And why is that? It's all digital, thus costs almost nothing to sell. I would say the market is not just full, it's overpopulated, that strongly devalues the work of creators. That most are willing to work for peanuts even more so. I fill my digital library with such sales their owners consider virtually worthless... If I remember correctly there are also a couple of virtually worthless EN Publishing titles in there, that some fans bought at full price... What do you say to the customers that bought it at full price? Who is setting these expectations? [/QUOTE]
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