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Green Ronin not signing GSL (Forked Thread: Doing the GSL. Who?)
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<blockquote data-quote="kenmarable" data-source="post: 4386516" data-attributes="member: 40359"><p>No one paid the $5000. We were all waiting on the GSL that was never delivered.</p><p></p><p>If you look at any of the many threads since that initial press release up until April when the early buy-in period was eliminated, it is clear that publishers were waiting on delivery of the license to review first. </p><p></p><p>Here's a couple relevant threads, but there's many:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=223988" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=223988</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=4118634" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=4118634</a></p><p></p><p>Even setting aside the digging around in EN World forums, unless Wolfgang Baur was confused or lying to us, communication directly with WotC was:</p><p></p><p>1) Get $5000 (Open Design did that, presumably Paizo, Necromancer, Goodman, Mongoose, and others were ready with that as well)</p><p></p><p>2) Contact WotC rep and indicate interest (Open Design did this, presumably the others did as well)</p><p></p><p>3) Sign NDAs (Open Design did this, presumably the others did as well)</p><p></p><p>4) WotC delivers the OGL/GSL to the publishers who indicated interest. (As we all know this never happened.)</p><p></p><p>5) <strong>IF</strong> the publisher accepts the OGL/GSL, <strong>THEN</strong> they pay the $5000 for the rules and the right to publish in the exclusivity period. (<strong>This never happened because #4 never happened.</strong>)</p><p></p><p>6) WotC mails 3 hard copies of each of the books on non-photocopyable paper to the publisher. (Again, obviously didn't happen.)</p><p></p><p>Regardless of whatever the initial press release and other answers were that first day, within a week, the above is the process that was outlined directly from WotC to the publishers in question. (Or Wolfgang Baur was confused or lying.)</p><p></p><p>Now, there may have once been an offhand offer of "If you want to skip #4 for now since it's not ready, we can take the money and give you the rules." But it was more them trying to help publishers meet deadlines than to trick publishers into investing into 4e without seeing the license. And I don't know if it was even an official offer to all, or just a "let's see what we can work out" idea. But without the license, we opted not to (since, as stated above, we were waiting for the license <strong>before</strong> we paid). </p><p></p><p>Or that might not have happened. I'm not sure, my memory under the NDA is hazy if you know what I mean. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, from what I understand, Tome of Horrors 4e is off the table because Clark doesn't want to lock away that IP.</p><p></p><p>The Advanced Player's Guide is tricky because of the "can't redefine" issue and the assumption that eventually things like druids, monks, etc. will be added to the SRD later. But that's easily avoided by the lame name game of a "Druidic Protector" class, and such. </p><p></p><p>But Clark's silence on his specific plans since the GSL release isn't comforting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kenmarable, post: 4386516, member: 40359"] No one paid the $5000. We were all waiting on the GSL that was never delivered. If you look at any of the many threads since that initial press release up until April when the early buy-in period was eliminated, it is clear that publishers were waiting on delivery of the license to review first. Here's a couple relevant threads, but there's many: [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=223988]http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=223988[/url] [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=4118634]http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=4118634[/url] Even setting aside the digging around in EN World forums, unless Wolfgang Baur was confused or lying to us, communication directly with WotC was: 1) Get $5000 (Open Design did that, presumably Paizo, Necromancer, Goodman, Mongoose, and others were ready with that as well) 2) Contact WotC rep and indicate interest (Open Design did this, presumably the others did as well) 3) Sign NDAs (Open Design did this, presumably the others did as well) 4) WotC delivers the OGL/GSL to the publishers who indicated interest. (As we all know this never happened.) 5) [b]IF[/b] the publisher accepts the OGL/GSL, [b]THEN[/b] they pay the $5000 for the rules and the right to publish in the exclusivity period. ([b]This never happened because #4 never happened.[/b]) 6) WotC mails 3 hard copies of each of the books on non-photocopyable paper to the publisher. (Again, obviously didn't happen.) Regardless of whatever the initial press release and other answers were that first day, within a week, the above is the process that was outlined directly from WotC to the publishers in question. (Or Wolfgang Baur was confused or lying.) Now, there may have once been an offhand offer of "If you want to skip #4 for now since it's not ready, we can take the money and give you the rules." But it was more them trying to help publishers meet deadlines than to trick publishers into investing into 4e without seeing the license. And I don't know if it was even an official offer to all, or just a "let's see what we can work out" idea. But without the license, we opted not to (since, as stated above, we were waiting for the license [b]before[/b] we paid). Or that might not have happened. I'm not sure, my memory under the NDA is hazy if you know what I mean. ;) Well, from what I understand, Tome of Horrors 4e is off the table because Clark doesn't want to lock away that IP. The Advanced Player's Guide is tricky because of the "can't redefine" issue and the assumption that eventually things like druids, monks, etc. will be added to the SRD later. But that's easily avoided by the lame name game of a "Druidic Protector" class, and such. But Clark's silence on his specific plans since the GSL release isn't comforting. [/QUOTE]
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