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<blockquote data-quote="kenmarable" data-source="post: 4386540" data-attributes="member: 40359"><p>I'ts been almost a year, of course, but from my recollection, many of those were 3.0 books. So my personal guess is that #1 is a big culprit. Many publishers have said that 3.5 killed the majority of their 3.0 back catalog sales. Considering that 3.0 sales were originally in the many thousands, print runs were very large. After 3.5 killed the demand for those products in consumers' minds, many publishers, distributors, and stores were left with vast inventories of unsold 3.0 products.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure how much #2 was a factor since when the 4e rumors were really heating up, many publishers had already folded or branched away from core d20 support. </p><p></p><p>But I certainly agree that 3.5 had at least as much to do with the stacks of unsold products cluttering store shelves and bargain Gen Con booths as overlap in topics.</p><p></p><p>Besides, are there any examples of, say 3 hardcover books covering the same topic, released within, say a 2 year period? (which is very generous for a book's shelf life that isn't a core rulebook or core setting book). </p><p></p><p>Plus as has been referenced above, how many of the overlapping topic books were WotC re-doing a topic that a third party publisher had already covered? </p><p></p><p>Lastly, the references to adventures is pretty dubious. WotC claimed that publishers were no longer releasing many adventures, so they decided to get back into the adventure business. But it was dubious then and even moreso now. First off, the only major print publishers left providing d20 fantasy support around that time (as opposed to their own product lines) if I recall were Paizo (admittedly that was Dragon and Dungeon magazines then), Necromancer, and Goodman Games, and to some extent Green Ronin (although they were getting much more focused on their own lines). What are the main focus of all of those publishers? Adventures. I suppose Malhavoc was still around, but might have already been focusing on Ptolus, but might have still had some rule supplements in the mix.</p><p></p><p>Also, it would be interesting to compare when WotC announced that they were getting back into the adventure design business with what we know now about when they began 4e design. Right about the time WotC got back into the adventure to fill an unmet need of the consumers, was also about the time they also got into the alternative rules and less splatbook business. Filling the adventure niche sounds an awful lot like marketing spin to cover 4e design that, obviously, couldn't be announced yet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kenmarable, post: 4386540, member: 40359"] I'ts been almost a year, of course, but from my recollection, many of those were 3.0 books. So my personal guess is that #1 is a big culprit. Many publishers have said that 3.5 killed the majority of their 3.0 back catalog sales. Considering that 3.0 sales were originally in the many thousands, print runs were very large. After 3.5 killed the demand for those products in consumers' minds, many publishers, distributors, and stores were left with vast inventories of unsold 3.0 products. I'm not sure how much #2 was a factor since when the 4e rumors were really heating up, many publishers had already folded or branched away from core d20 support. But I certainly agree that 3.5 had at least as much to do with the stacks of unsold products cluttering store shelves and bargain Gen Con booths as overlap in topics. Besides, are there any examples of, say 3 hardcover books covering the same topic, released within, say a 2 year period? (which is very generous for a book's shelf life that isn't a core rulebook or core setting book). Plus as has been referenced above, how many of the overlapping topic books were WotC re-doing a topic that a third party publisher had already covered? Lastly, the references to adventures is pretty dubious. WotC claimed that publishers were no longer releasing many adventures, so they decided to get back into the adventure business. But it was dubious then and even moreso now. First off, the only major print publishers left providing d20 fantasy support around that time (as opposed to their own product lines) if I recall were Paizo (admittedly that was Dragon and Dungeon magazines then), Necromancer, and Goodman Games, and to some extent Green Ronin (although they were getting much more focused on their own lines). What are the main focus of all of those publishers? Adventures. I suppose Malhavoc was still around, but might have already been focusing on Ptolus, but might have still had some rule supplements in the mix. Also, it would be interesting to compare when WotC announced that they were getting back into the adventure design business with what we know now about when they began 4e design. Right about the time WotC got back into the adventure to fill an unmet need of the consumers, was also about the time they also got into the alternative rules and less splatbook business. Filling the adventure niche sounds an awful lot like marketing spin to cover 4e design that, obviously, couldn't be announced yet. [/QUOTE]
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