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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 3984507" data-attributes="member: 32164">Noooo. At the rate Martin's going, if they wait for that, we'll never see it! <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> I honestly loved some of Green Ronin's 3e stuff, but here's where I come from. If 4E is able to reign in the bookkeeping bloat of 3e, it'll be really hard for me to go back to a 3e-based game.After just making a couple characters for Star Wars Saga Edition, going back to either D&D 3e or d20 Modern was downright painful. While I'm more than happy to play a SWSE game, pondering running a game in the latter two systems gave me apoplexy.Not to mention that after playing Iron Heroes, I just couldn't go back to regular D&D. Life's just not interesting enough for every class I enjoy.So anything they make for 3e will be of questionable use as far as I'm concerned.It's the third party publishers' fault really. Without games like True 20 and Iron Heroes, some of us would never have realized how unwieldy and in need of an upgrade 3e was. And some times, you just want to play the game with "D&D" on the cover.</blockquote>