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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7682336" data-attributes="member: 6787650"><p>At level five, the monk has up to two weapon attacks for d8+5 and two unarmed strikes for d6+5 (e.g. Wood Elf who spends Level 4 ASI on Dex--although boosting Dex is not necessarily the best choice). Average 36 if all attacks hit. At level twenty, he has two weapon attacks for d10+5 and two unarmed strikes for d10+5. Average 42. If he's a Shadow Monk he might or might not get a reaction attack on top.</p><p></p><p>You could call that "incredibly lame at level 20", but as I mentioned in my first post, I don't think the monk is lame because DPR is not her role. She's a scout and intel specialist, and an emergency responder who is ready to jump on any leaks and plug them with Stunning Strike x4. Most of the time the (Shadow) monks in my part(ies) don't even enter melee, they hang back and plink with (sometimes-poisoned) arrows until their unique talents are needed.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">I should think most players would care rather a lot if they do the same damage at level 20 that they did at level 5. D&D is about progression. It takes a special kind of mindset to value intel and defensive progression over DPR progression; so I would expect most players to find monk progression between levels 6 and 17 somewhat unsatisfying, except for increases in ki. At level 18 you get Empty Body which I think most players would find satisfying though.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 7682336, member: 6787650"] At level five, the monk has up to two weapon attacks for d8+5 and two unarmed strikes for d6+5 (e.g. Wood Elf who spends Level 4 ASI on Dex--although boosting Dex is not necessarily the best choice). Average 36 if all attacks hit. At level twenty, he has two weapon attacks for d10+5 and two unarmed strikes for d10+5. Average 42. If he's a Shadow Monk he might or might not get a reaction attack on top. You could call that "incredibly lame at level 20", but as I mentioned in my first post, I don't think the monk is lame because DPR is not her role. She's a scout and intel specialist, and an emergency responder who is ready to jump on any leaks and plug them with Stunning Strike x4. Most of the time the (Shadow) monks in my part(ies) don't even enter melee, they hang back and plink with (sometimes-poisoned) arrows until their unique talents are needed. [COLOR=#000000] I should think most players would care rather a lot if they do the same damage at level 20 that they did at level 5. D&D is about progression. It takes a special kind of mindset to value intel and defensive progression over DPR progression; so I would expect most players to find monk progression between levels 6 and 17 somewhat unsatisfying, except for increases in ki. At level 18 you get Empty Body which I think most players would find satisfying though.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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