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<blockquote data-quote="LordOfTheWaffleHouse" data-source="post: 9513805" data-attributes="member: 7044860">To be fair, the Twin Cataclysms were always a very vague thing that was intentionally so, and some of the later retcons/additions to aspects of the setting were... Spurious in terms of quality and consistency. Remember, the original Temple of Elemental Evil, for example, was set in Greyhawk and it was primarily run by Iuz and Zuggtmoy, one a Demigod and the other a notable Demon Prince, strictly to increase their number of worshippers and their influence in the mortal realm.Fast forward to 3rd edition, and we get RETURN to the Temple of Elemental Evil, where the entire temple's purpose got retconned into... Just being a doomsday cult for Tharizdun all along and Zuggtmoy and Iuz both just didn't know about the gigantic spire thingy in the middle of it. It honestly came off about as haphazardly put together as the phrase &quot;Somehow, Palpatine returned&quot;.It's likely that the writers are attempting to expand upon existing lore, with very little to go on, or enough conflicting sources that they're just kind of making it up as they go along, and rewriting things they think need it. I'd prefer they didn't myself, but meh. Also we've no way to determine or even question how much of what WotC now calls &quot;legacy content&quot; the writers are aware of or have actually read/played themselves.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LordOfTheWaffleHouse, post: 9513805, member: 7044860"] To be fair, the Twin Cataclysms were always a very vague thing that was intentionally so, and some of the later retcons/additions to aspects of the setting were... Spurious in terms of quality and consistency. Remember, the original Temple of Elemental Evil, for example, was set in Greyhawk and it was primarily run by Iuz and Zuggtmoy, one a Demigod and the other a notable Demon Prince, strictly to increase their number of worshippers and their influence in the mortal realm. Fast forward to 3rd edition, and we get RETURN to the Temple of Elemental Evil, where the entire temple's purpose got retconned into... Just being a doomsday cult for Tharizdun all along and Zuggtmoy and Iuz both just didn't know about the gigantic spire thingy in the middle of it. It honestly came off about as haphazardly put together as the phrase "Somehow, Palpatine returned". It's likely that the writers are attempting to expand upon existing lore, with very little to go on, or enough conflicting sources that they're just kind of making it up as they go along, and rewriting things they think need it. I'd prefer they didn't myself, but meh. Also we've no way to determine or even question how much of what WotC now calls "legacy content" the writers are aware of or have actually read/played themselves. [/QUOTE]

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