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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 9352054" data-attributes="member: 2205">Well, since you either straw manned my position well beyond what I said or are backtracking from the most extreme claim made, your photographic evidence was irrelevant. Including kids and being marketed specifically and solely as a kids game are not the same thing. And college kids literally aging out of being the target demographic is an extremely extraordinary claim that any number of "10 and up" blurbs don't address at all.Besides, I posted photographic evidence too. It was easy since I bought digital copies from drivethrurpg years ago. Open up a pdf and the snip tool and hey. (Contrary to your implication that I went way out of my way to prove a point.) Screen shots of the PHB. Screen shots from BD&D. I could also do screen grabs from the MM and OD&D and the Book of Vile Darkness or the Dungeon and Dragon issues that came out the same month except that... Well, they wouldn't be appropriate for kids. (And I still have physical, not digital copies of those more recent ones.) But yeah, I'm the obstinate one. Sure. I'm the one ignoring evidence. Sure.Besides this is topic appropriate. Why use an old setting that the kids don't connect with is only a relevant question if you assume that WotC only wants to sell to kids. The very fact that they're ignoring that logic is strong circumstantial evidence that the idea that D&D is and always was a kids game is patently false and patently ridiculous. Retro callbacks to stuff that's two generations or even more old is what you do when you want to market to people who are old enough to remember that, or there is a strong nostalgia vibe among the kids for that material. Greyhawk will mostly appeal to generation Jones or X or possibly Y. Nobody younger than that will care much about Greyhawk.</blockquote>

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