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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9357677" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Elves also have existed, have kingdoms and have large amounts of non-5e text dedicated to them. But in the post I was quoting you presented the challenges of Goliaths and Elves equally. After all, non-5e material doesn't count right? To teach someone they will have to present the dwarf lore as though they were new, because someone with no expeirence with Greyhawk and no expeirence worldbuilding, who is new to DnD as of 5e has no idea what kingdoms are in Greyhawk, or about their history. So, by your own standards, there is no difference between them. Except we can count the 2e and 3e Dwarf Greyhawk material for some reason even if it isn't in the book, and we cannot count the 3e Goliath material... which is sounding like a double standard just because Goliaths used to be outside of the PHB and therefore no one cared about their established lore.A paragraph is 4 to 5 sentences. IF you have three questions for each race, and each question takes one to two sentences... you have 4 to 6 sentences.... which is a paragraph. You can't talk about ecology, government, species relations, and history all in a single sentence. Not if you want to have answers that can be used.Oh, world-building is a encyclopedic listing of facts. In written form. Like I keep saying. Here, do me a favor. Look up the meaning of Show don't Tell. It is a writing rule, for the written word, that talks about not simply telling people things, like listing facts. Like a wikipedia-eqgue listing of facts. Like the literal thing you keep claiming that world-building IS. Also, world-building is not a media. It is an action. There is an action verb there, "building". World-building is the act of building a world. This can be done through a characters actions (which would be SHOWING) or it can be done by listing facts of the world. Which is TELLING. The type of world-building we are talking about, which is making a reference document, is entirely TELLING, no showing. Yes, even if you tell people about actions of characters to reinforce an idea of "goodness" it is still telling. That is literally why people engage in telling so much, to tell people facts that support the idea they want. Which is why Show Don't Tell became a thing.Hard to tell if anyone was specifically upset about Nentir Vale, since they generally hated 4e as a whole. Couldn't tell you if anyone only hated the new setting, but I will guarantee MANY people complained about it. And why would you waste time and resources on a setting that is never going to become real? As for no one saying it must be a new setting, sure, but you also refuse to acknowledge there is literally any benefit at all to using Greyhawk, which is what is keeping this conversation churning. You are convinced that this chapter, which is likely already written and being finalized, is going to be horrible and without purpose, solely because they picked Greyhawk and if they had just decided to make a new setting instead, it would be wonderful and perfect.</blockquote>

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