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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9360379" data-attributes="member: 22779">Yet, we managed just fine in 1e, Basic/Expert, and 2e.&nbsp; It wasn't until 3e that the planes were detailed in any way in the DMG.&nbsp; ((Note, the 1e PHB did have a VERY brief outline of the Planes - but virtually no details.&nbsp; Just names mostly))&nbsp; AFAIC, it's a waste of space in the DMG since it's almost never going to get used.&nbsp; So little gaming actually goes planar.&nbsp; I mean, heck, the 5e AP's, while some of the later ones do, spend nearly all their time not going planar.&nbsp; Even Ravenloft isn't really a planar adventure - it's a closed box setting.&nbsp; You don't even need it to be on another plane and the adventure contains advice for setting it in the Sword Coast.I'm not saying we don't need planes in D&amp;D.&nbsp; I am saying that they aren't all that needed in the DMG where there just isn't enough space to do them justice.&nbsp; A three paragraph blurb and a random table isn't a planar description.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 9360379, member: 22779"] Yet, we managed just fine in 1e, Basic/Expert, and 2e. It wasn't until 3e that the planes were detailed in any way in the DMG. ((Note, the 1e PHB did have a VERY brief outline of the Planes - but virtually no details. Just names mostly)) AFAIC, it's a waste of space in the DMG since it's almost never going to get used. So little gaming actually goes planar. I mean, heck, the 5e AP's, while some of the later ones do, spend nearly all their time not going planar. Even Ravenloft isn't really a planar adventure - it's a closed box setting. You don't even need it to be on another plane and the adventure contains advice for setting it in the Sword Coast. I'm not saying we don't need planes in D&D. I am saying that they aren't all that needed in the DMG where there just isn't enough space to do them justice. A three paragraph blurb and a random table isn't a planar description. [/QUOTE]

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